My Pictures... Multiple Aquariums

[andrew84uk]

Nice tank, is the marbles there so they can play tailball or something?

 

[SJ2K]

I do 100% water changes every 3-4 days... and i also use my finger and splash the water around once per day to get oxigen into the water... Hes not gasping for air, he just likes sitting at the top of the water.

And yes, i understand the bowl is too small for him, so please, stop saying that.... i get the point

Im afraid your wrong there aswell, splashing the water will do nothing, it needs constant cerculation and surface movement to oxygenate the water, the fish is clearly not as healthy as it could be.

People WILL bother you constantly about the size of the tank, this is a forum for people who keep and care about fish, there unlikely to sit back and be nice about fish being kept impropperly.

 

[tropicman]

sorry tropicman i know it wasnt you who said that, i was trying to put in a quote from DR.Bogger but went horribly wrong

No probs m8

and i also use my finger and splash the water around once per day to get oxigen into the water...

That really made me laugh

 

[spAcE mOnkEy]

How do you know a fish isn't happy based off of one picture? How does anyone know if a fish is happy at all?
Fish don't smile or laugh, so it is unfair for all of you to say that these fish are unhappy.

I see nothing wrong with keeping a betta in a one gallon container, and certainly keeping one in a .75 gallon bowl isn't going to have any harmful effects. The only way this could harm the fish is if water quality became poor. I would recommend getting a larger bowl, but that is mostly because I think the one you have hanging up doesn't look so nice...

Don't compare fish to a dog in a shed. Fish are so different from dogs that this comparison is just... wrong. You all act like fish have the minds of people, and they certainly do not. Fish aren't going to be sitting in a tank thinking about how horrible their life is, they are just going to eat and swim around. Goldfish and bettas are not capable of thinking as dogs and people are.

Keeping a goldfish in a small tank is not good, but keeping one in a tank for a few months isn't the worst thing in the world. It was stated that this tank is a holding tank, and that means it will later be moved to a larger aquarium. Many people new to keeping aquariums get gold fish and put them in small bowls, Dr.Bogger is keeping it in a filtered tank and purchased a much larger aquarium where it can move into later down the line. Besides, it's a goldfish, not a puppy.

If people keep constantly bothering new fish keepers, they are more likely to just leave the forum and use advice given to them from the pet store or from their own heads. Please, why not comment on the aquariums and then state your opinion in a reasonable manor. Everyone just keeps repeating the same information over and over.

Nice tanks Dr.Bogger, and don't let this experience lead you off from seeking advice. You can find your own real information by simply using google, and decide the best way to care for the fish yourself with a little common sense.

 

[tropicman]

So keeping a betta in a 0.75 gallon jug (more or less) with no filtration is ok look it up on google any website which approves that should be closed immediately

 

[Dr. Bogger]

How do you know a fish isn't happy based off of one picture? How does anyone know if a fish is happy at all?
Fish don't smile or laugh, so it is unfair for all of you to say that these fish are unhappy.

I see nothing wrong with keeping a betta in a one gallon container, and certainly keeping one in a .75 gallon bowl isn't going to have any harmful effects. The only way this could harm the fish is if water quality became poor. I would recommend getting a larger bowl, but that is mostly because I think the one you have hanging up doesn't look so nice...

Don't compare fish to a dog in a shed. Fish are so different from dogs that this comparison is just... wrong. You all act like fish have the minds of people, and they certainly do not. Fish aren't going to be sitting in a tank thinking about how horrible their life is, they are just going to eat and swim around. Goldfish and bettas are not capable of thinking as dogs and people are.

Keeping a goldfish in a small tank is not good, but keeping one in a tank for a few months isn't the worst thing in the world. It was stated that this tank is a holding tank, and that means it will later be moved to a larger aquarium. Many people new to keeping aquariums get gold fish and put them in small bowls, Dr.Bogger is keeping it in a filtered tank and purchased a much larger aquarium where it can move into later down the line. Besides, it's a goldfish, not a puppy.

If people keep constantly bothering new fish keepers, they are more likely to just leave the forum and use advice given to them from the pet store or from their own heads. Please, why not comment on the aquariums and then state your opinion in a reasonable manor. Everyone just keeps repeating the same information over and over.

Nice tanks Dr.Bogger, and don't let this experience lead you off from seeking advice. You can find your own real information by simply using google, and decide the best way to care for the fish yourself with a little common sense.

Thank you, spAcE mOnkEy!

Honestly, it is my choice to keep my fish the way i do... not anyone else's... the gold fish are doing just fine, they are happy, eating well, etc.

Im just thankfull someone on this forum actually agrees with me, and actualy says they like my tanks, instead of sitting and complaing about the way other people keep fish... to me this is very discuraging, i was literaly about to not check the responces on this thread anymore, and im glad i did, because fianly, its a responce from someone who actually thinks my pictures are nice...

If people keep complaining about how my fish are being kept is tanks too small for them, then guess what, ill find a different forum to be apart of...  hopefully a forum with people that understand, instead of complain.

All i can say is thank you spAcE mOnkEy, for understanding you made by day!

 

[tropicman]

nobody said they didn't like your tanks just gave you advice on better care for the fish your tanks are nice but need a bit more tlc in my opinion just take it as constructive criticism

 

[Dr. Bogger]

nobody said they didn't like your tanks just gave you advice on better care for the fish your tanks are nice but need a bit more tlc in my opinion just take it as constructive criticism

Honestly, i was at petsmart the other day, watching someone buy 2 gold fish, and he bought this tank for him in the link below... so if you wanna complain about how my tank is too small, then try complaining to him, not me... because my tank is probabley 5 times bigger than the one he bought for two gold fish... and his gold fish were not much smaller than mine...

Heres the link: 
http/www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2753229

 

[spAcE mOnkEy]

So keeping a betta in a 0.75 gallon jug (more or less) with no filtration is ok sad2.gif look it up on google any website which approves that should be closed immediately blink.gif

I don't understand what the problem is. If the water quality is good and the fish is thriving, what is so bad about it? The area of a .75 gal and a 2 gal are both very very small, so if you say that space is a problem, it cannot really compare to the wild.

Honestly, i was at petsmart the other day, watching someone buy 2 gold fish, and he bought this tank for him in the link below... so if you wanna complain about how my tank is too small, then try complaining to him, not me... because my tank is probabley 5 times bigger than the one he bought for two gold fish... and his gold fish were not much smaller than mine...

Heres the link:
http/www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2753229

The lesser of two evils does not make it right.

The goldfish you are keeping are smaller than regular goldfish, so your 28 gallon tank should house them properly. It is always your choice when it comes to your methods of fish keeping regardless of what anyone else says.

 

[tropicman]

no offence but the man buying the tank and the goldfish probabl had more knowledge than petsmart

 

[three-fingers]

Don't compare fish to a dog in a shed. Fish are so different from dogs that this comparison is just... wrong. You all act like fish have the minds of people, and they certainly do not. Fish aren't going to be sitting in a tank thinking about how horrible their life is, they are just going to eat and swim around. Goldfish and bettas are not capable of thinking as dogs and people are.

I really don't understand how you can say any of that without living the life of a fish or a dog - which I somehow doubt you have.

It's not always the best comparison, but IMO is far off "wrong". Would you care to explain why you think it's wrong?

Keeping a goldfish in a small tank is not good, but keeping one in a tank for a few months isn't the worst thing in the world. It was stated that this tank is a holding tank, and that means it will later be moved to a larger aquarium. Many people new to keeping aquariums get gold fish and put them in small bowls, Dr.Bogger is keeping it in a filtered tank and purchased a much larger aquarium where it can move into later down the line. Besides, it's a goldfish, not a puppy.

Yes, but I believe the key part I responded to was the "i will be giving them a bigger tank once they do [outgrow the tank]" - which was the real problem here, since the OP clearly wants to care for his fish properly however is making a common mistake.
The fact that goldfish are usually treated much worse doesn't really add to any viewpoint here, to quote yourself "The lesser of two evils does not make it right".
You also seem to be suggesting that it more acceptable to mistreat the goldfish because fishes lives are considered of less value than 'higher' animals such as dogs are - which would be a highly debatable topic it's probably best to stay away from on a fishkeeping forum.

I find it amusing that if it were fish equally unsuited to the tank like 3 bala sharks, or something like 3 blood parrots, there would certainly be more response.

Im just thankfull someone on this forum actually agrees with me, and actualy says they like my tanks, instead of sitting and complaing about the way other people keep fish... to me this is very discuraging, i was literaly about to not check the responces on this thread anymore, and im glad i did, because fianly, its a responce from someone who actually thinks my pictures are nice...

If people keep complaining about how my fish are being kept is tanks too small for them, then guess what, ill find a different forum to be apart of... hopefully a forum with people that understand, instead of complain.

What you need to realise is that people aren't trying to have a go at you, they are trying to help you through giving advice - regardless of the topic of the thread, that is what the whole forum is for. It frustrates people when they see animals in conditions that they don't feel are adequate, especially when the owner clearly wants to care for them properly .

I don't understand what the problem is. If the water quality is good and the fish is thriving, what is so bad about it? The area of a .75 gal and a 2 gal are both very very small, so if you say that space is a problem, it cannot really compare to the wild.

I'm not sure what your trying to say here. There's a big difference in space for movement between that wall thing and a 2gallon tank.
It's like saying the .75 gal thing is no worse than a 100gal because they are both tiny volumes compared to the wild .

The required size of tank for a betta is a topic so opinionated that it's not really worth giving input most of the time, but the general consensus is certainly that a 2gal would be better than a .75 gal.

 

[darknirvana217]

Bettas require a 2 gallon. No less, and probably no more. What about the Goldfish. They are cold water, and the frog is tropical. Which means, even if you put them into the larger tank together, your water quality is not up to the fishes needs. So Space Monkey, the fish is not a very happy fish if it does not have good quality water. Also, good analogy with the dog. I've always had the theory that fish are not taken seriously because we still see them as food level, as opposed to dog on the companion level. When you look at fish from that perspective you break all sociological boundaries and can really appreciate the animal for what it is. Not harassing you Dr. Booger just trying to help you and your fish. We all make mistakes, when I started fish keeping I put two black pacus into a 120 gallon tank, because they are my favorite fish and I thought it would work. Fortunately I was able to donate them to a four thousand gallon tank where they are happy with other black pacus. To everybody, this forum is all about growth and knowledge, do not take it as an attack, but mainly a bunch of fish nuts just trying to help you.

 

[invader]

Not harassing you Dr. Booger

Anyway, Dr. Bogger, you can't just get mad at people who are concerned about your fish. As stated before, we're all fish nuts and we want what is best for the fish in the end. Yeah, some of us get a bit overzealous, but it's better than letting everyone with a goldfish in a 2.5gl slide. If we didn't try to help everyone, then this wouldn't be the friendliest forum around.

 

[KraKen]

I'd like to mention something that hasn't been brought up yet. From the looks of the picture that wall tank is being held up by a single nail or screw, If it's not attached to a stud I'd be willing to bet that it will fall within 5 minutes of me posting this. If it is attached to a stud It's structural integrity is still highly doubtfull.

Also since that wall bowl is open topped and bettas tend to jump you might have a carpet surfer on your hands.

If you do find a way to secure it properly and light it that wall tank would make an awsome planted tank with emersed pants growing out the top.

I wont bother getting into the goldfish since you have been advised by several people already.

 

[spAcE mOnkEy]

Before I you respond to me, keep in mind most of these are my opinions based off of facts.

I really don't understand how you can say any of that without living the life of a fish or a dog - which I somehow doubt you have.

It's not always the best comparison, but IMO is far off "wrong". Would you care to explain why you think it's wrong?

These specific fish don't really think as dogs do, and the dogs intelligence is much greater than any fish. If you trap a dog in a room, it will start whimpering and realize that it is... trapped... If you do this to a fish, it would take a much smaller area for it to realize it is trapped. Fish do not really think as we do or as dogs do, because they just react upon their instinct to live.

Yes, but I believe the key part I responded to was the "i will be giving them a bigger tank once they do [outgrow the tank]" - which was the real problem here, since the OP clearly wants to care for his fish properly however is making a common mistake.
The fact that goldfish are usually treated much worse doesn't really add to any viewpoint here, to quote yourself "The lesser of two evils does not make it right".
You also seem to be suggesting that it more acceptable to mistreat the goldfish because fishes lives are considered of less value than 'higher' animals such as dogs are - which would be a highly debatable topic it's probably best to stay away from on a fishkeeping forum.

I find it amusing that if it were fish equally unsuited to the tank like 3 bala sharks, or something like 3 blood parrots, there would certainly be more response.

I do not advise putting fish into small tanks, but I really think that his tank setup is fine for the goldfish. These goldfish don't get as large as others. Maybe the filtration should be upgraded though...
With the outgrowing of the tank part, What is the problem to grow out a fish in a smaller tank? Many people do this with new younger fish. The younger fish must reach a certain size before they can be safe from larger fish in the aquarium. This isn't the case here, but he is still doing basically the same thing: growing out a fish in a smaller tank. When the fish gets larger, it will be added to the main aquarium. And yes, I do consider the life of dogs higher than a goldfish. I do not want to start an argument though, so please remember these are just some opinions.
If 3 Bala sharks and 3 blood parrots were in that small tank, I'm sure there would be a greater response because that is not proper fish keeping. These goldfish however, I feel the tank is less worse with them instead. Now I'm assuming you were speaking of the small temporary tank holding the parrots and 3 balas. There are only a couple goldfish, so a fair analogy would be the same number of blood parrots as there are goldfish if you consider their lives of equal value. Also the bala sharks would not be able to live to their full potential in his final tank, where these goldfish can.

What you need to realise is that people aren't trying to have a go at you, they are trying to help you through giving advice - regardless of the topic of the thread, that is what the whole forum is for. It frustrates people when they see animals in conditions that they don't feel are adequate, especially when the owner clearly wants to care for them properly smile.gif.

Yes, you are right. The only problem is that sometimes people let the feelings from frustration come out in their responses.

I'm not sure what your trying to say here. There's a big difference in space for movement between that wall thing and a 2gallon tank.
It's like saying the .75 gal thing is no worse than a 100gal because they are both tiny volumes compared to the wild blink.gif.

The required size of tank for a betta is a topic so opinionated that it's not really worth giving input most of the time, but the general consensus is certainly that a 2gal would be better than a .75 gal.

I do think that a 2 gallon would be better for the betta, but I think that keeping one in a .75 gal is not wrong. I'm sure that a betta could live just as healthily in both situations, with proper water changes and such. I'm not sure if I read this statement right, but did you compare my 2 gallons to .75 gallons to the same as 100 gallons to .75? In my opinion, .75 and 2 gallons are both equal to one bucket pretty much. I don't keep small aquariums like this. I also don't want to start a huge debate about this, but a year ago the general consensus on this forum was that 1 gallon was appropriate.

I respect what you said, and you brought up very important points in a coherent manor. I hope other members respond as you have.