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Hello, so I’m currently treating ich with salt and Turning up the heat for my goldfishes. Nothing major and most of the ich is already clearly up. I’m still kinda new to the fish hobby and stuff and I’m not sure how to probably clean the filters after the whole ick treatment things clears up. Is it possible just to leave the sponge filter in without cleaning it, cause the salt is like already in the water? I’m not sure though, need some help asap!
 

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When you clean the filters, use the same sponge to keep the beneficial bacteria in it and don't clean it too much. Fortunately, ich is easy to treat by just raising the temp slightly, especially since you have goldfish and you don't want to the temp up too high, I would not use salt or meds but do lots of water changes.
 
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When you clean the filters, use the same sponge to keep the beneficial bacteria in it and don't clean it too much. Fortunately, ich is easy to treat by just raising the temp slightly, especially since you have goldfish and you don't want to the temp up too high, I would not use salt or meds but do lots of water changes.
Thanks for replying, but what do you mean by not using meds or salt?
 

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Thanks for replying, but what do you mean by not using meds or salt?
This can go long but in brief, sometimes adding stuff to the tank, whether, medication or salt can stress not only the fish but also the biological filter. Best thing you can do is provide the fish with lots of water changes. I have found ich easy to remove from the tank so again, nothing needed but lots of water changes and some patience. Of course if not taken care of, it can weaken your fish causing other issues. Just so you know, this is what I would do to treat ich or most other fish diseases, others may have a different opinion.
 
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Pictures of the fish so we can confirm it is white spot?

Salt does not treat white spot.

When using heat to treat fish for white spot, you need to get the water temperature up to 30C (86F) and keep it there for 2 weeks, or at least 1 week after all the white dots have gone.
Use a thermometer in the water to measure the temperature.

If the goldfish were in cold water (less than 20C/ 68F), do not use heat because they don't tolerate a massive temperature rise over a short period of time.

If the goldfish are in water with a temperature between 20-24C (68-75F), then raise the temperature over a couple of days.

If the goldfish were in a warmish tank (24C+/ 75F) then you can use heat (30C) and raise the temperature over a 12-24 hour period.

Whenever you use heat or medications in the tank, increase aeration/ surface turbulence to maximise the oxygen level in the water.


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Before raising the temperature or using chemical based medications to treat a disease, do the following things:

1) Wipe the inside of the glass down with a clean fish sponge. This removes the biofilm on the glass and the biofilm will contain lots of harmful bacteria, fungus, protozoans and various other microscopic life forms.

2) Do a 75-90% water change and gravel clean the substrate. The water change and gravel cleaning will reduce the number of disease organisms in the water and provide a cleaner environment for the fish to recover in. It also removes a lot of the gunk and this means any medication can work on treating the fish instead of being wasted killing the pathogens in the gunk.
Make sure any new water is free of chlorine/ chloramine before it is added to the tank.

3) Clean the filter if it hasn't been done in the last 2 weeks. However, if the filter is less than 6 weeks old, do not clean it. Wash the filter materials/ media in a bucket of tank water and re-use them. Tip the bucket of dirty water on the garden/ lawn. Cleaning the filter means less gunk and cleaner water with fewer pathogens.


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If you use chemicals to treat fish, do the following things:

Work out the volume of water in the tank:
measure length x width x height in cm.
divide by 1000.
= volume in litres.

When you measure the height, measure from the top of the substrate to the top of the water level.

If you have big rocks or driftwood in the tank, remove these before measuring the height of the water level so you get a more accurate water volume.

You can use a permanent marker to draw a line on the tank at the water level and put down how many litres are in the tank at that level.

There is a calculator/ converter in the "FishForum.net Calculator" under "Useful Links" at the bottom of this page that will let you convert litres to gallons if you need it.

Remove carbon from the filter before treating with chemicals or it will adsorb the medication and stop it working. You do not need to remove the carbon if you use salt.


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The white spots fall off the fish after a few days and the parasites sit on the bottom of the tank multiplying. Just because most of the spots have gone, it does not mean the problem is nearly over.

The following link has information about white spot and how to treat it. Post #1 and 16 are worth a read.


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After you have finished treating the fish, you can turn the temperature down and do water changes and gravel cleans like normal. You can also clean the filter like normal.
eg: Wash the filter materials/ media in a bucket of tank water and re-use the media. Tip the bucket of dirty water on the garden/ lawn.
 
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Pictures of the fish so we can confirm it is white spot?

Salt does not treat white spot.

When using heat to treat fish for white spot, you need to get the water temperature up to 30C (86F) and keep it there for 2 weeks, or at least 1 week after all the white dots have gone.
Use a thermometer in the water to measure the temperature.

If the goldfish were in cold water (less than 20C/ 68F), do not use heat because they don't tolerate a massive temperature rise over a short period of time.

If the goldfish are in water with a temperature between 20-24C (68-75F), then raise the temperature over a couple of days.

If the goldfish were in a warmish tank (24C+/ 75F) then you can use heat (30C) and raise the temperature over a 12-24 hour period.

Whenever you use heat or medications in the tank, increase aeration/ surface turbulence to maximise the oxygen level in the water.


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Before raising the temperature or using chemical based medications to treat a disease, do the following things:

1) Wipe the inside of the glass down with a clean fish sponge. This removes the biofilm on the glass and the biofilm will contain lots of harmful bacteria, fungus, protozoans and various other microscopic life forms.

2) Do a 75-90% water change and gravel clean the substrate. The water change and gravel cleaning will reduce the number of disease organisms in the water and provide a cleaner environment for the fish to recover in. It also removes a lot of the gunk and this means any medication can work on treating the fish instead of being wasted killing the pathogens in the gunk.
Make sure any new water is free of chlorine/ chloramine before it is added to the tank.

3) Clean the filter if it hasn't been done in the last 2 weeks. However, if the filter is less than 6 weeks old, do not clean it. Wash the filter materials/ media in a bucket of tank water and re-use them. Tip the bucket of dirty water on the garden/ lawn. Cleaning the filter means less gunk and cleaner water with fewer pathogens.


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If you use chemicals to treat fish, do the following things:

Work out the volume of water in the tank:
measure length x width x height in cm.
divide by 1000.
= volume in litres.

When you measure the height, measure from the top of the substrate to the top of the water level.

If you have big rocks or driftwood in the tank, remove these before measuring the height of the water level so you get a more accurate water volume.

You can use a permanent marker to draw a line on the tank at the water level and put down how many litres are in the tank at that level.

There is a calculator/ converter in the "FishForum.net Calculator" under "Useful Links" at the bottom of this page that will let you convert litres to gallons if you need it.

Remove carbon from the filter before treating with chemicals or it will adsorb the medication and stop it working. You do not need to remove the carbon if you use salt.


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The white spots fall off the fish after a few days and the parasites sit on the bottom of the tank multiplying. Just because most of the spots have gone, it does not mean the problem is nearly over.

The following link has information about white spot and how to treat it. Post #1 and 16 are worth a read.


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After you have finished treating the fish, you can turn the temperature down and do water changes and gravel cleans like normal. You can also clean the filter like normal.
eg: Wash the filter materials/ media in a bucket of tank water and re-use the media. Tip the bucket of dirty water on the garden/ lawn.
I can’t take a picture right now. But when I notice it had like 20-50 white spots? But after some aquarium salt and water changes like 1-3 white dots left. And today I don’t see any.
 

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The white spot parasites drop off the fish after a few days and multiply in the substrate. A few days later there are hundreds of new parasites in the water. So you need to keep treating the fish for at least 1 week after all the spots have gone.
 
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The white spot parasites drop off the fish after a few days and multiply in the substrate. A few days later there are hundreds of new parasites in the water. So you need to keep treating the fish for at least 1 week after all the spots
thanks for the advice, I also don’t have any substrate right now.
 

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