Bacteria In A Bottle, Does Is Work?

[snazy]

Ok, I'll stop posting but just can't resist one question @ Primous

snazy yup, pretty much most of us start out by taking advice from our lfs who are there to sell us something which is a huge mark up to them. So in short yes, I used 3-4 of these bottled bacs repeatedly. Unfortunately I didn't document it, I just wasted my money blindy

Which bottled bacs have you tried?

 

[Fishy friend2]

most success seems to come from tetra safe

 

[snazy]

So now I have come to a cunclusion that I am better off not wasting my time and money on this stuff

It certainly is a waste of money regardless of whether it works or not, as it does not come on the cheap side of cycling

 

[Dieses Madchen]

I would like to know what your sources are Snazy, as you seem to have an answer for everything, or I would like to know where you got your Microbiology Ph D. Nothing you just said made any sense.

 

[blagger]

Just had a quick read over the four pages here, a lot of scientific stuff being said, I'm not going to be able to add to that as I don't have the knowledge.

I'm a week into a fishless cycle with established media (the ammonia isn't going down that fast).

I have been reading up about Tetra Safe Start as I am pretty impatient and am looking for that super quick cycle process.

Snazy, did you state that after you added Tetra Safe Start you also put (or within 24 hours) the fish in your tank? See Tetra Safe Start is an instant product, if you read the manufacturer description it states you add the fish in straight away. I have read another forum, where a lot of users have used this with great success, they add the Safe Start and then 24 hours later they add their fish with no problems.

Also I don't think bottled Ammonia is the same as what is released by the fish, so if you are using bottled Ammonia your basically killing the Tetra Safe Start. I've got no scientific proof of this nor am I going to go and look for it but I gather this is the case. You can't put Tetra Safe Start in a tank and then dose it with bottled ammonia to analyse, I personally believe it wouldn't work.

I really believe, especially in this country, you can't go and sell a product that is supposed to do something but it doesn't. You would not be able to sell the product. Companies would go down the drain!

Mmmm, so tempted to go and get some Tetra Safe Start tomorrow.

 

[snazy]

I would like to know what your sources are Snazy, as you seem to have an answer for everything, or I would like to know where you got your Microbiology Ph D. Nothing you just said made any sense.

Which part did not make any sense exactly, that you can't dry freeze Autotrophic bacteria or that Nitrobacter can't convert nitrites to nitrates in anaerobic condtitions?
I don't have Ph D in Microbiology. Sources are many, some my personal knowledge from god knows where. Unfortunately I can't remember the online links, but they were mostly actual experiments by different researches and the language in which it was written was slightly above my average understanding

 

[snazy]

Snazy, did you state that after you added Tetra Safe Start you also put (or within 24 hours) the fish in your tank? See Tetra Safe Start is an instant product, if you read the manufacturer description it states you add the fish in straight away. I have read another forum, where a lot of users have used this with great success, they add the Safe Start and then 24 hours later they add their fish with no problems.

Also I don't think bottled Ammonia is the same as what is released by the fish, so if you are using bottled Ammonia your basically killing the Tetra Safe Start. I've got no scientific proof of this nor am I going to go and look for it but I gather this is the case. You can't put Tetra Safe Start in a tank and then dose it with bottled ammonia to analyse, I personally believe it wouldn't work.

I really believe, especially in this country, you can't go and sell a product that is supposed to do something but it doesn't. You would not be able to sell the product. Companies would go down the drain!

Mmmm, so tempted to go and get some Tetra Safe Start tomorrow

I actually put the fish and dosed the Tetra safe start at the same time.

I have some doubts myself whether it works in a fishless cycle with ammonia, so I might use some guppies instead of ammonia But I am going to get a lot of nasty responses when I document this here, as I don't change the water during the Tetra Safe start cycle, otherwise it's a waste of money

 

[blagger]

I actually put the fish and dosed the Tetra safe start at the same time.

Thanks for that info, so basically what the product tells you to do.

I have some doubts myself whether it works in a fishless cycle with ammonia, so I might use some guppies instead of ammonia But I am going to get a lot of nasty responses when I document this here, as I don't change the water during the Tetra Safe start cycle, otherwise it's a waste of money

I don't understand why you should get the nasty responses, the product states you add your fish instantly, if others are stating it works (on another forum) then I can't see why it is not worth a try. If you've got a test kit you can monitor levels throughout the process. If you start diluting (by water changes) the product then its obvious it won't work as it should.

From what I have gathered and my own guess work (by putting peoples experiences together), Tetra Safe Start won't work if:

- You are using bottled ammonia and trying to carry a full fishless cycle (using the product without real fish)
- You overload your tank with fish, rocketing ammonia levels before the product has done what its got to do
- Doing water changes too quick and "diluting" the product

But that is just my opinion

 

[snazy]

I don't understand why you should get the nasty responses, the product states you add your fish instantly, if others are stating it works (on another forum) then I can't see why it is not worth a try.

There was another thread I unfortunately posted in, about someone's ammonia spike and I got crucified over not changing the water even though using Tetra Safe start

 

[eaglesaquarium]

blagger, I'm not sure exactly what you meant earlier about the ammonia produced by fish being different from the bottled ammonia. Can you elaborate on this?

 

[Fishy friend2]

blagger, I'm not sure exactly what you meant earlier about the ammonia produced by fish being different from the bottled ammonia. Can you elaborate on this?

it's definitely "produced" differently

 

[blagger]

blagger, I'm not sure exactly what you meant earlier about the ammonia produced by fish being different from the bottled ammonia. Can you elaborate on this?

Sorry, at the end of the day ammonia is ammonia, however when it is released from the fishes backside it could be different, say it has additives, lol

I really don't know!

Sorry just had a crazy moment on here, just want my fishless cycle to complete super fast!

 

[eaglesaquarium]

It's fine. I just wanted to know what information you had that I was missing.


In the end, ammonia in the tank shows up as ammonia (NH3) or as ammonium hydroxide (NH4OH). The bottled stuff is ammonium hydroxide. There are a lot of other chemicals in the water as well, but the ammonia is just these two.

 

[snazy]

The bottled stuff is ammonium hydroxide.

Well, if that's the case than it won't work with Tetra Safe start as it needs free amonia. Or it will work, but just slower

 

[Primous]

D. It is a huge con! A successful con because nobody wants to go through the cycling process. I remember mine vividly, checking my stats daily. Huge water changes, cleaning up the inevitable spillage, and all this for 2 months plus? Yes it's what makes this con a success many (myself included at one point) are willing to consider.

just want my fishless cycle to complete super fast!

And that my fellow hobbyists, is exactly how those that sell plastic bottles aka "Super Cycle-Special Blend-Secrete Formula-Micro Biotic defying bacteria" reel them in.