Why Aren't They Getting On?

[fishy55599]

Ok so i got a bovilian ram about 1 week ago, which settled in fine.
Had to go to my LFS today to take angel back as it was fighting with the other.
so i traded it for a golden ram.
then after a while of it being out the bag, the bovilian ram was chasing it round mentally.
He does it everytime he see's the golden ram.
And the angel has started to fight with both now.
probally coz he wasnt getting attacked himself anymore.

Should it take the bovilian ram and angel back to LFS and swap for more peacful fish?

 

[spectrum]

How big is the tank, and what gender are they?

 

[fishy55599]

it is about 60-65 litres.
No idea on gender

 

[mattlee]

cichlids are known for being teritorial and having fights to prove hierachy. once the pecking order is established it will calm down a bit. there are always going to be just plain nasty fish that wont live with others. the bolivian ram had claimed the bottom of the tank and when the gold was introduced he didnt like it. angels are best in groups instead of pairs unless its an established [air that breed and get on fine. try 4 angels and see how it goes and swap the gold ram for another bolivian of the oposite sex to the one you have already and it should be ok.

cichlids are known for being teritorial and having fights to prove hierachy. once the pecking order is established it will calm down a bit. there are always going to be just plain nasty fish that wont live with others. the bolivian ram had claimed the bottom of the tank and when the gold was introduced he didnt like it. angels are best in groups instead of pairs unless its an established [air that breed and get on fine. try 4 angels and see how it goes and swap the gold ram for another bolivian of the oposite sex to the one you have already and it should be ok.

60-65 L tanks are not suitable for angels. they need at least 18 inches tall tanks as they get very big and tall fish so need room to move about. defo take the angel back. possibly too small for the rams too unless ypu just keep a pair in there.

 

[fishy55599]

cichlids are known for being teritorial and having fights to prove hierachy. once the pecking order is established it will calm down a bit. there are always going to be just plain nasty fish that wont live with others. the bolivian ram had claimed the bottom of the tank and when the gold was introduced he didnt like it. angels are best in groups instead of pairs unless its an established [air that breed and get on fine. try 4 angels and see how it goes and swap the gold ram for another bolivian of the oposite sex to the one you have already and it should be ok.

cichlids are known for being teritorial and having fights to prove hierachy. once the pecking order is established it will calm down a bit. there are always going to be just plain nasty fish that wont live with others. the bolivian ram had claimed the bottom of the tank and when the gold was introduced he didnt like it. angels are best in groups instead of pairs unless its an established [air that breed and get on fine. try 4 angels and see how it goes and swap the gold ram for another bolivian of the oposite sex to the one you have already and it should be ok.

60-65 L tanks are not suitable for angels. they need at least 18 inches tall tanks as they get very big and tall fish so need room to move about. defo take the angel back. possibly too small for the rams too unless ypu just keep a pair in there.

i will take angel back soon, and if they dont settle down one will have to go

 

[Curiosity101]

Ditto what mattlee said.

I would rehome the angel due to the tank not being suitable. And would pick between either 2 german rams or 2 bolivian rams. Although with bolivian rams it's harder sex them so there is no guarantee you'll end up with a male female pair.

But I doubt a pair of males would get on in a 60-65l tank.

 

[fishy55599]

I would rather have the golden rams, as they are very pretty and peacful.
How would you sex them?

 

[Curiosity101]

With german rams the female has a pink tummy. The gold version of german rams are harder to sex as the males sometimes have a bit of pink aswell.

However the males first couple of dorsal rays are extended which can help with ID'ing.