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Last night was my monthly fish club meeting. Originally they had planned to have a round-table with different members being asked to soeak.answer Qs on different gish. I had been asked to talk on plecos. And then the club realized they had already booked a speaker and the round table was postponed.

The speaker was an expert on the Licorice Gourami (Parosphromenus deissneri). There ae a couple of gtoupd of fish keepers who keep and breed the various species. Our speaker was the Amrivan rep. of sich and organization. I really wished this presentation had been made years back when I had Altums as what it take to keep the Parosphromenus. Most need very soft acid water that is tea stained and uses lots of leaf litter. I had all the supplies needed to keep them properly. But now I am backing out of tanks and in the past had considered trying these fish but never got around to it.

There was another feature to the meeting in terms of the regular auctions held at the end of the meeting. This month 100% of the sale price went to the seller. The club did not take it's normal cut. So there were over 50 lots of fish, plants equipment and even a few small tank kits. I bought my usual blue shrimp, assassin snails, driftwood and a Maylasian wood log with 4 small anubias attached. We have a member which is a master breeders and his fish always command a decent price.

I have wanted to add a few cry to my in-wall 75 gal planted community. It has 5 black schultzei, about the same number of long fin paleatus and a lone huge albino aeneus the last of a group I have had for some time. Bill, a master breeder had brought 3 bags of corys: green lasers, triliniatus and Hoplisoma oiapoquense. I came home with 5 young oiapoquense. This is a new species for me. I bid on the trilinatus but stopped at $32 but then jumped to $40 to make sure I won what I did. The other member wanted all 3 species and did win two. He followed my example and jumped to $40 for the lasers and I let him have them.

I mostly quarantine new fish. But I have no problems skipping it for Bill's fish. I have some of the Inpaichthys kerri (purple emperor tetra) he bred. They are lovely fish as well. In addition our club shgirts were ready for pick-up. The club doesn't do a T-shirt, ours are a polo shirt with a collar and pocket with the clup logo on it. These are nice shirts. Clubs should support each other so if one of us attends another club auction we try to wear the shirt to show our support for them, In turn other clubs come to our annual auctions. Plus we are also advertising our club as well. Th shirts cot $21 each and I was happy to pay that.

In the past few months we have had a number of kids- under 15 attending our meeting with one of their adult relatives. Last nigh we has a toal of close to 10 such youngsters. # of them beloned to the speaker and two of them have their on tanks and fish. My club has been making an effort to bring new young folks into the hobby and we are looking for the teach in a school who would like to have a
classroom tank. The club is willing to give such group everything they need to do this and at no charge.

Since what I brought for the auction netted me $73 and I spent $40 + $21 =$61 I basically trade extra shrimp and snails and things I no longer needed, I came out $12 ahead. I think I got the beetr end of that deal. I will admit I should probably have bid and won one of the other two corys groups. I wanted the green lasers and giot stubborn and would not go over $40. I should have done so because I could have afforded to do so/ Better luck next meeting I guess.

There was one more nice thing about the meeting. The club bought about 8 pizzas with an assortment of topping. AT the end of the meeting I managed to grab a whole pie to bring home. It was a mix of plain, sausage and pepperoni. I do not do the pepperoni so those two slices went into the trash, but the rest are mine although I told my brother to help himself.

I will continue to urge those member here who are not yet in a fish club, but have one within a reasonable distance, to join. You wont regret it. Our master breeder, Bill, drives 90 minutes each way to the meetings. I am lucky my drive is only 25 each way. The best part is the gas stations in the town where our meeting are held are cheap compared to where I live. I paid under $3/gal. in NY to fill up last night. Although I am only in the one club, there are at least another 3 or 4 I could join which are all a 60 minute or shorter drive each way.
 
Sounds like a great club

Great to see the younger generation getting into aquariums
 
I just took a quick look into the tank where i pt the corys last night. I spoteed two them perched togather on an anubias leave about 8 inches above the substrate. They really are very cute. My favorite corys for cuteness are, in no particular order, panda, similis, sterbai and now I can add the oiapoquense. :D
 
H. oiapoquense is at the top of my list as well. I have a colony going for over a decade now and they never cease to entertain. And
I find the markings striking.
 
I would love to be apart of a fish club but there isnt one near me without driving close to 2hrs one way. That ain't happening...southern California traffic makes me wanna look for the nearest cliff to drive off of
 
I had some oiapoquensis (back when they were still named corys, lol). I always think of Santa's "Oye Como Va" when I see their name. Lovely fish with beautiful tails.
 
@Ceez

Well maybe what you need to do is to see if you can start a new club if there are enough fish keepers in the area. Ater all every club today had to be started by someone or someones.

Use fish forums and social media to see if you can drum up any interest. The worst that can happen is that you decide there are not enough people close enough to be interested.
 
My luck in this bobby never ceases to amaze me. I was negotiating to sell 25 of my F! L173 plecos to be picked up next week and it suddenly turned to an interest to purchase 2.65 times as many fish. They would be picked up so I would not have to worry about shipping or the potential for having DOAs. But that we not the most interesting thing.

The folks with whom I am dealing said they had just received or would be doing so shortly a large number of Hoplisoma sp. (Cw111) and they asked if I had an interest. I do not work with corys to spawn them, I keep then in some of my planted communities. So, I knew nothing about this fish. So, I did a bit of research and they are a really nice looking fish and I guess somewhat newer in the hobby and very pricey.

But I am dealing almost on the wholesale level with my fish. They want to buy all of the 85 plecos I have which are large enough to sell for pickup/ My rule for this is the fish have to be at least 1 inch TL and when they get over 1.5 is when I am willing to ship them. I have mostly fish between 1 and 15/8 inch TK and they want them all as well as the 20 over 15/8. I only have 116 of which 26 are recent fry and under 3/4 inch. There area fe over 3/4 but not at 1 invh and they are not available to buy. But 85 fish in total are.

So, I can most certainly afford to buy some of the cw111s. I am afraid to ask the price. But it seems to me that it pretty much on;y males snse to buy some if I am willing to try to have them decide to spawn in one of my tanks. The issue is I have been working over the past few years to sell off most of my breeding pleco groups and all the offspring. I only kept the WC L173 because they are rare, especially as wilds and I mostly sell to folks such that many of the fish end up in the hands of potential breeders. The also help to cover my hobby costs.

So to quote the chorus from one of the older Stones tunes which is about understanding women, But the chorus is much more universal than that. So when it comes the deciding yo get ot not to get some of these corys:
"I'm just sittin' on a fence
You can say I got no sense
Trying to make up my mind
Really is too horrifying
So I'm sitting on a fence"

I have no idea what to do. Am I downsizing and trying to stop working with rarer small catfish or am I still able to take on something new and unusual. I think if I go ahead I would need to keep these fish in a species tank. So, Instead of being able to shut down 1/2 grow tanks for L173, I would need to convert it to a dedicated cory tank. I see the C111 offered for about $250/fish retail. I assume I will get a significantly better price. However, I would pay for the corys by reducing what they pay for the plecos. So,

'I'm just sittin' on a fence
You can say I got no sense
Trying to make up my mind
Really is too horrifying
So I'm sitting on a fence"

Hear the song here (copy and paste the Url) youtu.be/BRBItQrlgNI
"Sittin' on a Fence" is a song written by Mick Jagger and Keith Richards of the English rock band the Rolling Stones. The song was given to the singing duo Twice as Much, who released it as their debut single in May 1966...... The Rolling Stones' version was recorded in December 1965 during the Aftermath sessions, and released first in the United States on the 1967 album Flowers
 
That's great you can sell so many plecos at 1 time! & no shipping!

If you need a nudge toward new cute corys, I say go for them! With your wonderful well water, I bet they'll be happy. Breeding is optional but always fun. I saw their common name is Vulcan cory 🖖
 
I got the price on the corys. I would be paying an awful lot of money for them. It is not $250 but it is not all that far below that number either. While I like corys and have always had some in my community tanks, I have not had much interest in spawning them especially since I got involved with the B&W Hypancistrus plecos in the spring of 2006.

One the other hand these are very pretty fish. I am just not sure I will have the time and energy to do them justice. The whole reason for moving towards fewer fish and tanks is that it does get harder to care for it all properly as one gets further into their senior years. I have done my last vendor room for sure.

I do need to makes a decision pretty quickly. I am not sure what scares me more in making this decision. One is that I have no idea if I will succeed in getting the corys to breed so that I could recover my cost of acquiring them. What if I fail, what if I get offspring and then old age means I manage to lose them all. Just as scarey is the idea that I might be successful and then I am faced with needing to sell them and all that takes. So I am worried about both failing and succeeding.

I am thinking the smart move is to pass despite how pretty they are and how much a part of me really likes the idea of a new adventure. I need to leave this to those much younger and who can make the sort of commitment required to take on the responsibilities of working with rarer and more pricey species.

Looking back over this thread I see I need to spend more time editing what I write than taking on the challenge of starting up with a new species that requires a commitment I may not be able to meet.
 
Well, clearly I must be crazy. I just concluded the terms of the deal and I agreed to get 8 Cw111s as part of it. I had countered their offer with a $400 higher price price. They cam back with a $500 reduction and and 8 x 111s. They originally offered 4 corys but I said that was too few as it was not right not to get a bigger group.

So that most certainly proves I have to be out of my mind. I have two grow tank for the plecos but I also have another 26 recent fry in the breeder tank I will be able to move to one of the grow tanks. I had planned top close down the other one- guess that is not happening.

I am going to be awfully busy next week. I need to have all the fish bagged and read for pick up next Weds. by about 5:30. 26 of them must be of a specific for one of the two people involved in the deal. The problem is that I have Poker next Tues evening in the City. So, I will be starting Monday to get the fish sorted. 26 of the fish to be segregated are not too bad. 7 are already in 1/2 of a tank. And the other 19 are all in the grow tank of 35. I should be able to get all of the 26 into hang on traps and add a few to where those 7 already are. Then I can spent he day Weds catching and bagging the rest.

All of the fish to be bagged are in 33L tanks which are 48x12x13 inches. I will reveal one of the tricks I have developed to make catching them easier. I set up the tanks with a space open in the center. This usually has an air powered Poret cubefilter in it. So, I removed the filter or a few pieces of wood or rock work. I then use a spatula to open a 2 inch wide space in the sand down to the bottom glass. This allows me to insert a piece of 2 inch thick Poret foam and dived the tank so the fish cannot get around, under or over it.

This gives me a few advantages. First, I only have to break down 1/2 of the tank to catch the fish. All of the contents have to be kept in water since plecos are very good at hiding in wood. And then the catching begins. It is easier to catch fish in a 2 ft. space than ine twice that. the second benefit is that should there be any reason I have to stop, I only have to get 1/2 the tank back together. Or it allows me to break for lunch or some other chore and then to return and finish the job. I normally treat each 1/2 of the tank like it is a tank itself. Once done catching the fish, I put all the rocks, wood and caves back into the 1/2 tank.

A lot of the time when I am only needing to catch some of the fish in a tank I get lucky and the sizes I need are all available in the first 1/2 and I can avoid dealing with the other half until a later date.

I am not sure what I will do re the 111s. Ionly have 2 options. I can set up a new tank which owuld be a 20L or else I can use the one of the 2 33ls I will be emptying for the sale, But the other one needs be be kept up for when I move the current 26 offspring still in the breeder tank, I think a 33L is a bit big for only 8 Hoplisoma cw111s.

Like I said, I am clearly out of my mind here. The good part is if I can get them spawning I will be able to sell them for less than the going rate.

edited for typos and spelling
 
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Things can change fast. Next Wednesday only 28/87 fish will be picked up and the 8 cw111 delivered. The other 59 plecos will be picked up. My best customer. who has put together more dollars of buys of my fish than any other individual is getting some of the 59 and but many are are for other people for whom he buys. The initial buyer who has the cw111s my best buyer as well.

The other nest customer is in the Chicago area and connected to the airline industry. He has flown here to pick up fish twice now and organized a big buy where somebody else picked up the fish and sent them airport to airport to my guy? The last time I sold my guy fish he flew in from Chicago and landed at noon my time and I was waiting in the pick up area with 8 bags of fish. He came out and we got the bags of fish into his carry on bags. and he went right back into the airport. He got onto the exact same plane he came in on which was scheduled to return to Chicago 75 minutes after it had landed.

The 20% discount I give for pick-up saves a buyer a decent amount of money plus shipping costs that would be in the $200+ range for the number of fish involved. Over the years, even before the discount, I had buyers fly in and out on the same day several times. Once from CO and once for Kansas City and then the Chicago guy twice from Chicago. He gets my absolute best prices.

I am still amazed that I have had the success I have had being able to sell fish which are born in my tanks. I do not use a smart phone and am not on any social media. I am only on a few forums like TFF or smaller. Many no longer even exist. I have only sold my fish at 3 regular events over the years. So forum posts and showing up at about 5 or 6 NEC events, 3 CatCons and one Keystone Clash are it.

But people seem to find me. People tell me I have a great reputation but at sites I have never visited. I think it is pretty weird. I get Emails or a phone call from somebody who tells me they were referred by so-and-so or that they read on a site I had a species of fish they wanted. Maybe they saw me at an event or, that somebody they know did so, and let them know.

But the best part about selling at events is you spend a few days with nothing but fish nuts and everybody talks fish. Not 100% of the time, but a lot of it. I miss it already and it had only been since I did the Keystone Clash in Sept. 2023. Now it is just the monthly club meetings.

I just finished setting up the tank for the corys, a 20L. Sand bottom, a bunch of plants and some wood. I seeded it with what remained in a small bottle of Dr. Tom's One and only ( a new one is coming on Tuesday). I also took filter squeezings from a Poret cubefilter in my F1 L173 grow tank.. I currently holds 35 offspring which have been in it for months, I have not had any illness or deaths in that tank. I have the new tank blacked out and have dosed about 2 ppm of ammonia into it. I will test later tonight and maybe in the morning. It is a 20L and all it will hold are 8 x 1 inch corys. The plants alone should be enough to keep them safe. I have the temp set at 26C which is 78.8F.
 
I had to delay the arrival of the corys. I came down with bacteria penumonia and the pleco pickup and cory delivery has been scheduled for Sunday. Also the number of corys is now 10.

The tank has been having a problem clearing the ammonia. I may have overdose it slightly. I did a water change to get it down and added a small bottle of Dr. Tim's I got from Amazon. But the ammonia is hanging at .5 to 1.0 ppm as of about 7 hours ago. I have plants in the tank but mostly anubias, a couple of small potted crypts and 2 small moss balls. I may try to run down to Petco tomorrow and see if they have any stem plants I can grab.

However, The water is 78F and the pH is 7.0. So at 1 ppm of ammonia it is virtually all ammonium (NH4). Ammonia (NH3) makes up 0.006 ppm of the 1 ppm total ammonia. This is not a worry short term. My nitrite test is expired but it read 0.

The bacteria prefer NH3 and the plants prefer NH4. Also, I had top blackout the tank for a day when I added the Dr. Tim's. SO the plants slowed down. I dropped in more anubias, but stems are a better option and I have very few of them.

It has been close to 2 years since I had to cycle anything. If I am not satisfied with the tank on Sunday, I will be able to move a cycled Poret cube from one of the tank where the 173s have been bagged and taken away. Those tanks have held plenty of young fish born in my tanks and which are all healthy and where there has not been a single sick fish nor one that died.

I saw all 9 of the clown loaches out at the same time in the 150 tonight for the first time in many months. They have been with me for years and the two big ones for about 18 and 22 years. The big one was gotten at 4 inches TL in 2003, so it must maybe 24 -25 years old. They are my favorite fish.
 
Tested ammonia late morning and it was between .25 and .50. So, I went to Petco and grabbed some stem plants. Normally I would bleach dip them, but they had minimal selection and one was a bit delicate leaved. So I did a bunch of rinsing and crossed my fingers.

I looked at their tanks and saw no dead fish, which used to be rare at that location. They were clean and well stocked. So, I took a chance. I potted one set of plants and floated the rest. This should do the trick and I will test tonight. I would hope for 0 ammonia and I will do a water change if so.

I have not bought plants in some time and my ID skills are rusty. So I wont even try to offer and ID on them. I will need to do a bit of a rescape before the fish go in however. I threw in aeveral small anubias floating and they can come out when the tank is at 0s.
 
Due to family commitments the delivery of the corys happens tomorrow even though the plecos went out yesterday.

The ammonia was 0 yesterday. I gave it a small dose of ammonia this afternoon. Before the fish arrive tomorrow late afternoon I will have done a big water change.
 

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