So Many Things Going Wrong!

[Athena]

Hello again

Well, just going by the photos you've posted on page 2 and 3, there isn't any Ich showing (not that I can see), just those fuzzy white dots (hey it reminds me of the white fungas spots you see on old bread crusts LOL). But, yeah, columnaris spots are often mistaken for fungal disease due to the appearance.

Wilder - the spots are not joined up or in a line btw. They are randomly scattered and of varying sizes but, as said before, blurred/faded.

Athena

 

[WILDER]

Fungus can grow on whitespot.

If you definately think the fish have whitespot keep treating.

Get a pic of whitespot. But the spots look bigger in the pic.

 

[fluffycabbage]

Sounds like whitespot to me then.
Were the fish flicking and rubbing. Sometimes fish can flick with columnaris.

neons do now and again, not often though. more like an irritation. prob the salt. the molly doesnt really do anything out of the ordinary.

so can whitespot spots come and go like that then?

 

[WILDER]

Whitespot pic.

 

[fluffycabbage]

right...mrs molly has two probs - the bleached out patches which look like blueish spots (bigger than ich spots) in addition to the fungus/peeling area, the other problem is small 'grain like' spots which keep coming and going.

 

[Athena]

LOL, this is getting confusing eh? Ok, so it is possible then that she has columnaris and also if the Ich parasite is in the tank then, yes, she could be getting infected time and again if they are not being eradicated.

With Ich, when the white spots disappear from the fish, it doesn't mean the Ich has gone or the parasite died...it means it has left the pustule on the fish and is in the free swimming stage - that is the time when medications can help eradicate them before they divide and go to the next stage of growth and latch back onto the fish to reinfect them, when the white spots will appear again.

Athena

 

[fluffycabbage]

LOL, this is getting confusing eh? Ok, so it is possible then that she has columnaris and also if the Ich parasite is in the tank then, yes, she could be getting infected time and again if they are not being eradicated.

With Ich, when the white spots disappear from the fish, it doesn't mean the Ich has gone or the parasite died...it means it has left the pustule on the fish and is in the free swimming stage - that is the time when medications can help eradicate them before they divide and go to the next stage of growth and latch back onto the fish to reinfect them, when the white spots will appear again.

Athena

thats exactly what i think athena, i just dont know what to treat first.

yep, ive read all about the ich lifecycle - hwever once they have left the host its about 2 weeks isnt it before they die. ive had protozin in the tank as well as salt, so would have imagined they'd died by now, but i guess not if they keep appearing eh?!

edited to add - had to keep temp at 24 so the columnaris doesnt get worse.i dont think heat treatment is an option for the ich

 

[WILDER]

Never heard of blue spots.
Heard of a blusish film on fish which is this.
Is the med making the spots look blue.


Chilodonella

Symptoms:

The skin and gills become discolored, taking on an opaque, bluish-white to gray coloration. The area between the head and dorsal fin is generally the most severely affected. In advanced cases skin begins to swell, eventually shredding and falling off in strips. Gills are also affected and may be completely destroyed. Clamped fins, listlessness, hanging at the surface and gasping may also be seen. The fish may rub or scrape against objects in the aquarium in an attempt to relieve irritation.


Cause:

The ciliate Chilodonella cyprini. These heart-shaped parasites, at a size of 40 to 60 microns, are not visible to the naked eye. The parasites are able to swim freely, spreading easily from fish to fish. Reproduction occurs by asexual division.


Treatment:

Highly infectious and able to kill in great numbers, Chilodonella may very well be the most dangerous skin parasite there is. Overcrowding increases the risk of infection. Acriflavin Plus, Malachite Green, Paraform, Quick Cure or Formalin are the drugs of choice for Chilodonella. All fish as well as the aquarium they inhabit should be treated.

 

[Athena]

Fluffy, how long have you treated the Ich for? Have you finished the whole course of treatment yet?

Athena

 

[fluffycabbage]

no i dont think shes that bad (thank god) - ive just taken a pic of her today, and she looks a lot better than yesterday, very few blueish spots, no white spots, though she still has the peeling bit and the gold cheek again (had that a few weeks ago). but she's resting at an angle as in the pic...

Fluffy, how long have you treated the Ich for? Have you finished the whole course of treatment yet?

Athena

shes had the last of the protozin treatment yesterday, and salt has always been in the hospital tank. no temp rise tho.

 

[Athena]

Ok, so you've done days 1, 2 and 3 and a final dose on day 6...that should have got rid of the whitespot a Protozin is normally very effective treatment.

Your molly is looking way better in that last photo than in the others. Her body is nice and clear, no spots...rather a plump belly though (is she preggers?). As for that gold spot on her gill, never seen that before, so no idea!

I think she's on the mend so no need to panic really.

So, is she in a hospital tank on her own then? And the other fish, how are they?

 

[fluffycabbage]

Ok, so you've done days 1, 2 and 3 and a final dose on day 6...that should have got rid of the whitespot a Protozin is normally very effective treatment.

Your molly is looking way better in that last photo than in the others. Her body is nice and clear, no spots...rather a plump belly though (is she preggers?). As for that gold spot on her gill, never seen that before, so no idea!

I think she's on the mend so no need to panic really.

So, is she in a hospital tank on her own then? And the other fish, how are they?

im confused , it says on the protozin bottle that if you dont use undergravel filtration (which i dont, i use a fluval 2 underwater filter), you dose 1 drop per 10l for days 1,3 & 5

is that not the case? do they mean underwater, not undergravel??

yeah shes prob preg, she isnt being overfed or bloated

Oh shes sharing the hospital tank with the neons coz they are/were dying, and i didnt know what of! so they got treatment with her. i think they would prob benefit from fresh water now tbh.

Ive just gone onto the waterlife site and it says what you say - but on my bottle (which looks different to the current one coz its a few years old) it says what i said above. Hmmm, maybe i should be giving another treatment....

 

[Athena]

Fluffy, did you say your bottle is a few years old? Are you sure it's not out of date? Meds become defective the older they get.

 

[fluffycabbage]

to be honest i have no idea - it says on the box that the treatment has an indefinite shelf life, minimum of 5 years. it came with the fish tank & fish i got.

 

[WILDER]

Sorry about the wait had something to do.

I would use the meds suggested earlier in the post.

The med might not be working if it's old.