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left a post on this forum last weekend and didnt get very far with it so went to my lfs....

story so far.... i discovered my red tailed sharks tail has become almost see through, i found one of my neon tetras has a lumpy bulge between its dorsal fin and tail and its a darkish colour and thirdy i have a lemon tetra swimming and twitching along at a funny angle. all seem to be eating ok and everyone else in the tank is ok. went to the lfs after no luck on here and they gave me some myxazin. dosed the tank with it during the week and nothing seems to have changed..... so i came back ere!! checked water stats last night and all is v good and the tank size is 260l

thanks
 
can you post your water test results please its the only way we can help :)
other stocking? any new additions:) pics of the fish that are sick too would help a lot :)
 
thanks shelaghfishface

ammonia 0
nitrate 0
nitrate 10

tank set up for approx 8 months

lemon tetras
xray tetra
opaline gourami
pearl gourami
harlequins
bristlenose cat
2 apple snails
red tailed shark
neon tetras

the only thing i can think of that i have done differently is the water conditioner, went for the one with no stress zyme in this time as the other water conditioner API is cheaper and lasts longer and recently added the snails
 
nothing obvious there is there, have you got a Q tank you could put the shark in while we get u some help on it
the lemon sounds like whitespot if itd flicking.. can you see any white spots like grains of salt on him?

i would be inclined to do a water change just while you get a few more replies, it could have something to do with the conditioner, dodgy bottles have been known, tho im not sure exactly what effect they have on the fish
TBS sounds like maybe slime diesease, but im not 100% so dont treat for anything as yet till you have a definative answer.. look here, you maybe able to pick something up straight away, to me its seems like more than one problem.. few synptoms that you may recognise there :)
oops wont let me paste the site name, heres a bit i copied n pasted its from tropical fish centre dot co dot ul

Symptons of illness It could be... Treatment
Your new fish have died - there are no obvious signs of illness "New Tank Syndrome" Adding fish to a brand new aquarium stresses the fish, and sometimes it can be fatal. For more info, check out: The Nitrogen Cycle
Loss of appetite An enviromental problem, newly-introduced fish can be slow to feed (stress), certain fishes will refuse anything but live foods. Enviromental: inspect for any manifestations of disease, and get a basic water tester (Ammonia etc). The same with stress. Be patient with them. Look for other signs of disease.
2,3) Cotton Wool effect on the body Fungus, Columnarius (Mouth fungus) If you see this disease, can use medication (ie "Anti Fungus") and a Salt bath (1 teaspoon per gallon)
1) Small, white spots on the head, body and fins. Whitespot (Ichthyophthirius) A very common disease (especially in a new aquarium). There are several formulas around, dose the fish quickly before the parasite spreads. Salt could be used (1 teaspoon per galloon).
8) Fraying of the soft tissue (fin membrane) Fin Rot, the disintegration of the fins Use medication before a secondary infection occurs, it will take several days before there is serious fin damage. Could use salt bath (1 teaspoon per gallon)
Appearance of a whitish film over the eye of the fish Poor water quality, poisoning (Chlorine) or Eye Fluke Poor water: Water changes are required. Poisoning: Make sure to condition tap water. Eye Fluke: Use medication
4) Fish are gasping, on the bottom of the aquarium, red streaks around gills Most probably oxygen starvation, or a Gill disease You have too many fish, an air punp may help. Gill diseases are quite rare, you could actually see the gills rot away: use medication.
5) Worms are visibly seen hanging from the gills, fish are gasping Gill Worm (Dactylogyrus) This is another parasite. Use anti-parasite drugs as directed.
7) Reddining of the skin, or red streaks in the fins Virus, Ulcers (Bacterial infection) Viruses can only be seen through microscopes - and its incurable. With a bacterial disease, use a anti-bacteria or anti-internal treatment. A prolonged SALT bath (3-5 g/litre for several days) will alliviate osmoregulatory stress in the case of severe ulceration.
Scales seem to be raised, fish are bloated. Dropsy (Ascites) Dropsy is more of a sympton than an actually disease yet, and is quite common. Most associated with a bacterial infection (cause could be wide - poor water conditions are often the culprit. Meds can be used, but dont always work.
Small, worm like parasites attached to fish, fish scraping against rocks. Anchor worm (lernea) There are many Crustacean Parasites around, and can be exported into your water. Meds are available.
6) Dull colour (mucus), detached skin, fraying of the fin. Mucus Hyperproduction. This called by caused by Slime disease (parasite, meds available), poor water conditioners (high Nitrogenous wastes), fFukes, stress.
 
just had a closer look and still cannot see anything obviously wrong, apart from what i have mentioned, what i can think of is going back to the old water conditioner with stress and slime coating included, a water change (its water change day anyway) and maybe a change round in the tank and rearrange things..... not sure! nope.... so hospital tank either
 
ill pm Wilder with a link to this and she will be able to help more.... your temp is ok? ( the tanks i mean)and PH?
 
haha yea my temperature is fine thanks and the tanks is good to @ 25.5 degrees and ph is 7.2 so all seems well but not!!!
 
im going to rearrange the tank a little bit, ive been to my lfs and bought the old water conditioner with stress zyme and slime coat and will do a water change, they also recommended dosing with myxazin next week again
 
good good, i hope all works out well, i hate seeing people go through the frustration of having to wait to find out whats wrong :/ it could be as simple as the conditioner.. lets hope eh, good luck :)
 
thanks shelaghfishface, just done a biggish water change and used the old water conditioner and had a little rescape inside so hopefully things will get back to normal. they had another redtailed shark, similar size to mine in the lfs and it had bright red tail.... 2 nice oscars also lol
 
Can you say how many of each fish you have please.

The lumps do they look solid or soft like filled with fluid.
Is the lump beneath the skin or on top.
Any redness to the lump.
Does the lump look smooth or look like a caulifower.
Does the lump move.

Any excess mucas on the fish gills or body.
Any signs of darting, erratic swimming, laboured breathing or gasping.
What do the fish gills look like.
What does it look like when the fish go to the toilet.
The neon tetra's is the red stripe still vibrant red.
What do you feed your fish.

Lost any fish to look skinny or bent spines, or looking bloated.
Check the eyes to see if there any black colouration, like blacking of the iris.
 
Can you say how many of each fish you have please.
12 neons
7 lemons

The lumps do they look solid or soft like filled with fluid.
solid i think

Is the lump beneath the skin or on top.
beneath

Any redness to the lump.
no, it looks a darker colour

Does the lump look smooth or look like a caulifower.
smooth

Does the lump move.
havent noticed it moving

Any excess mucas on the fish gills or body.
dont think so

Any signs of darting, erratic swimming, laboured breathing or gasping.
yes, and he is now swimming by himself

The neon tetra's is the red stripe still vibrant red.
yes

What do you feed your fish.
tropical flakes during the week and then a bloodworm cube at the weekend, just once

Lost any fish to look skinny or bent spines, or looking bloated.
havent lost any fish lately, not in the last 3 or 4 months

Check the eyes to see if there any black colouration, like blacking of the iris.
havent noticed


the lemon tetra is just swimming at a funny angle (not sideways angle though)
redtailed sharks tail... ive gone back to the old water conditioner and it might just be stress or unhappy for whatever reason
 
You confused me. You said you have 12 neons and 7 lemons but then you talk about your redtailed shark.......
 
yea.... i have more fish as its a 260l tank but just wants to know about the fish in question
 
If the lump solid add a bacterial med. Can you issolate him for treatment. It could be a tumour.
Fish that swim on there sides can be swim bladder to internal paraites.
Feed some peas.
Improve there diet with more frozen foods can veg.
What does it look like when the fish go to the toilet.

Any tiny sores or red pin prick marks on the fish.
Any fish swim in a jerky movment.
What do the gills look like.
 

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