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princess, have you got a definite stocking list yet [like theone I suggested that you liked] or will you go to the lfs, check compatability etc.. and add them if suitable [like me :p]

hello tropic_john,
yes i have i am going to use your list you gave me on my other foum.

princesscoral
age 9
:fish:


hello nanny,
:p to you to

princesscoral
age 9
:fish:
 
I wouldn't advise Dave Spenser's way of setting up a planted tank unless you are an experienced fresh water aquarist with a fully cycled fresh water tank from which to knick media if the silent cycle goes wrong :nod: The Zeolite used can mess up the natural cycle, contrary to what Dave says, IME. His method of setting up a tank is valid for highly planted tanks, but the method will backfire unless it is a heavily planted tank, as his method works as the plants take up Ammonia quicker than the fish produce it, hence out-competing the filter and Zeolite. You can tell when this is happening, as your Nitrates will drop. Plants take Ammonia in preference to Nitrate. If your Nitrates remain constant after set-up, you are relying on the Zeolite, at least partly, for Ammonia removal. Once it's saturated, you'll enter a fish-in cycle unless you up the number of plants or find some way of getting better growth. Once the Nitrates are dropping, you can actually safely remove all the filter media, as the plants are doing all the Ammonia removal for you :nod:

Princess coral may not want a tank stuffed with plants. In this instance, if you stock with fish using Dave's method, find Nitrates stay constant and Princess says no more plants, you are suddenly forced to make a choice, remove the fish and revert to fishless cycling, do a fish-in cycle, or have a tank that relies on Zeolite for it's life, as the plants will not be doing the Ammonia removal and the Zeolite will Saturate on a bacterial colony that is far below that required, leading to an Ammonia spike.

All the best
Rabbut
 
I agree, was just making sure they knew that it was infact an option. As i tried to fishless cycle a tank with live plants in and it went badly wrong and i got most types of algae quite badly. But couple of small points, i and a few others actually use purigen in place of zeolite which lasts longer and can be regenerated. Also, i dont think this has been proven to work, just was i was advised to do, in my external i have the purigen in last, so the filter media still has ammonia in contact before its soaked up by the purigen. Again, i must stress, ive seen no solid evidence that this works.

Edit: By the way, its recommended that you have at least 75% of your substrate covered in fast growing stem plants.

If theres a chance she could change her mind on the plants, do a fishless cycle in the dark. As the plants will be the only thing supporting the fish, that and the zeolite/purigen (which is only an insurance type thing anyway, but you have to be sure your plants/filter will process the ammonia and keep an eye on the stats if you dont use it)
 
oh i think i have fineshed my fishless cycle now znd on a diffrent cycle ( i will ask nanny)

princesscoral
age 9
:fish:
 
oh i think i have fineshed my fishless cycle now znd on a diffrent cycle ( i will ask nanny)

princesscoral
age 9
:fish:

No sweetheart, you are still in a fishless cycle, just getting towards the end now. Lucily as Mummy Zipzap gave you media from her tank it introduced bacteria for you and hopefully the plants have added a bit more :good:

Fingers crossed, might be cycled within the next couple of weeks, so the next time you come round, you will do some more testing and we will go from there

You now need to go back and take a look at the list Tropic john gave you (which you liked) and decide which order your fish go in and maybe show people the list again, ask how many at one time and in what order, ok bumpkin :wub: miss you

Nanny Seffie x

Aged 50

:fish:

ps - you could also ask what tubes people would recommend for the juwel 180 - as we need to change them
pps thanks Rabbut and geof, really interesting
 
Hey princess,
To save you the hassle of searching for pictures etc of the fish that I listed and the stockins you liked [not stockings for wearing :p] I have copied the list to here and above each name is a picture of that type of fish. Remember, that guppies, mollies, platies, angelfish and cories can all come in many different colours

Here are the lists;

corydoras_duplicareus_1(1).JPG

6 corys


guppy%20strains.jpg

6 guppies


mollydisplay.jpg

5 mollies


RedWagPlatyMale.jpg

3 Platies


whatfish495.jpg

4 lampeye killifish


Altum(Wild)AngelfishWFCiami_C2573.jpg

and maybe 2 angelfish



or



corydoras_duplicareus_1(1).JPG

6 corys


guppy%20strains.jpg

5 guppies


mollydisplay.jpg

4 mollies


Aphyosemion_gardneri.jpg

6 Gardneri Panchax Killifish


Altum(Wild)AngelfishWFCiami_C2573.jpg

and maybe 2 angelfish



John,

Aged 12.
 
just wondering as noone ever answers my stocking and filtration posts!!!!uhhh!!!!
in a170 litre(45 gallon) tank is the follwing filtration and fish enough?
14 zebra danios
3corydoras catfish
4 angelfish
2 blue german rams
in a tank with live plants and a medium sized power filter+(later on like 2-3 months later on...a marineland biowheel powerfilter)
i will only have the corys and danios till i get the marineland filter.
shahrez
P.S:mad: princesscoral you have AMAZING fish knowledge for your age and i have never met any 9 year old in my life who knows about proper stocking,testing,water params,filters,amazingly good aquascaping,natural taste in aquascaping etc very good teaching nanny seffie and moomy zipzap1
 
Since we will have to get rid of the angels or the lampeye killifish in the first stocking idea, I have 2 answers;

1. get rid of the angels and replace them with a pair of apistogramma cactouides.

or

2. get rid of the lampeyes and add more corys, mollies etc...


To be honest, I would replace the angels with gouramis, but its your choice princess :)


John,

Aged 12.

p.s Seffie, can I be princess' fishy uncle :p


A picture of an apistogramma cacouides
Apistogramma%20cacatuoides%20
 
angels will eat lamp eye killis and they do best in groups of 8 or more.

John, thank you that was very thoughtful of you, PrincessCoral will be very pleased :good:

Truck, thanks for pointing that out.


Seffie x

Aged 50 :p

:fish:

I think you already are John :lol: you and Truck
 

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