People Good With Stocking At The End Of A Cycle

Hi

My filter is more than I need but not mega mega. I forget the exact stats though. My tank's 60L and my filter is the Fluval U2 if that helps.

Corydorus Pygmeus (spelling?) I hope. Those are the ones I like anyway :)
 
Add the corys in later, they are sensitive fish (forgot to add). I will go back on what I originally posted, add the corys in 1 month after your platys etc.
 
Hiya. Yeah good idea I think. There's no sense in overloading now when I've spent over 2 months preparing the filter.

Thanks :)
 
it doesn't take into account that some fish, like Neons, have a very low bioload.


It does, that's what the filter is for, the capacity is purely for the amount of space and freedom of movement. The filtration will show you the ability to cope with the bioload assuming you're fully cycled.

I believe that blasphemous website only quotes 65% or something of your filters output. Therefore you could go over the filtration but I would not recommend going over the capacity. Even if Neons are small, it will become cramp.
 
The site is worse than useless when it comes to giving advice. One reason is because it tries to equate filter capacity with fish capacity.
Let's get down to basics. No filter ever removes anything from a tank. It merely stores particulate and provides a place for biofilter bacteria to grow. Any filter that is anywhere near big enough for a given tank size has more than enough bacterial colony capacity for a tank twice as big. The limiting factor when stocking has nothing to do with the filter and everything to do with the tank's oxygen capacity based on the surface area and depends on the way that the fish relate to each other. If the fish cannot get along, a 100 gallon tank is too small for two moderately small fish. The factor that many think of in terms of stocking levels and filters is often the ability to deal with ammonia, which is totally meaningless. I can and do filter a 20 gallon heavily stocked tank with nothing more than a simple sponge filter. The important parameter, as far as chemical problems in a tank, is how much waste a fish produces compared to the amount of water you replace with water changes. If you are willing to do more and larger water changes, you can keep more healthy fish than if you are lazy about water changes. In that sense, the filter size can cause you problems rather than prevent them because it makes the water look cleaner while the chemistry goes to pot completely.
 
Hiya guys, thanks both of you.

It's funny but in the last 70 odd hours my attitude towards this has totally changed. I think I'd prefer to understock than overstock. Now I've got some fish I just want them to be as healthy as possible. I think they're a bit sick and all I want is for them to be healthy and happy. If and when they get better I really think the most I will do is get a small shoal (6) of Pygmy Corys now to join them and that's it. Neons look pretty and prob would have finished it off great but I don't think it's worth it.

Oldman, if you get the chance will you look at my thread in the Emergencys section? I'd appreciate your thoughts oh wise livebearer expert :)
 
I'm not bad with livebearers but I am terrible with diseases. I'm afraid I am like the health food nuts around. I figure if the fish never get sick I won't have to deal with it.
 
Ha good thinking. I planned to do that but I think they must have been sick when I got them :(
 
It throws up a question for me. I've now decided I really don't want to overstock so my Pandas will probably be Pygmys (shame, I love Pandas) and my Neons will probably be in another tank one day. BUT the only place I've seen Pygmys is the LFS I got my current fish from. I really don't want to buy any more (possibly) sick fish. So I have to really think about what I'm going to buy and where from.
 
I've had problems with neons in the past,even though they look pretty,i had 2 tyrant bullies and they made all the fishies life hell,so gave them back to the lfs.

Do you live near Bristol? i have some nice healthy pygmy babes growing up,i'm trying to bring myself to sell one day,they look so cute swimming in little shoals :wub:
 
The site is worse than useless when it comes to giving advice. One reason is because it tries to equate filter capacity with fish capacity.
Let's get down to basics. No filter ever removes anything from a tank. It merely stores particulate and provides a place for biofilter bacteria to grow. Any filter that is anywhere near big enough for a given tank size has more than enough bacterial colony capacity for a tank twice as big. The limiting factor when stocking has nothing to do with the filter and everything to do with the tank's oxygen capacity based on the surface area and depends on the way that the fish relate to each other. If the fish cannot get along, a 100 gallon tank is too small for two moderately small fish. The factor that many think of in terms of stocking levels and filters is often the ability to deal with ammonia, which is totally meaningless. I can and do filter a 20 gallon heavily stocked tank with nothing more than a simple sponge filter. The important parameter, as far as chemical problems in a tank, is how much waste a fish produces compared to the amount of water you replace with water changes. If you are willing to do more and larger water changes, you can keep more healthy fish than if you are lazy about water changes. In that sense, the filter size can cause you problems rather than prevent them because it makes the water look cleaner while the chemistry goes to pot completely.

This has confused me more than anything previously posted. With that it seems there is no real limitation as long as I can get enough oxygen into the water.

To me there seems to be some relevance between Size of filter media/turn around and the amount of fish in the tank. If the tank has a small filter sponge it won't home enough bacteria to process a heavily/overly stocked tank? The advice I was given back some months ago was to get a filter that could do a 5x turn around per hour in your tank and I followed that and had no problems.

That site we speak of also seems to be rather helpful to prevent people over stocking, I can go elsewhere and looking at same sort of thing and go way over board and apparently its fine. Even morally I know it looks potentially horrific.

Anyway, is this why the site is filtered?

Edit: The site also shows compatibility between fish with their temperatures and pH... is this also meaningless ? I mean we've got to find it out from somewhere and well everyone else' view is different.
 
See THAT site says I'll be fine to add 6 Pandas to my stocking.......what does anyone else think? If I forget the Neons? If we're working out ridgedly 1 inch to every gallon then I can see I don't have room but have I missed something?

Sadly not near Bristol,I'm in East Sussex. I would more than happily buy Corys from you too. They look fab!

Important question though......how can I check if there's enough oxygen in the aquarium? I have the flow turned down to as gentle as I can coz I wasn't sure the G's would like it but it does agitate the surface. I'd just like to be sure.
 
See THAT site says I'll be fine to add 6 Pandas to my stocking.......what does anyone else think? If I forget the Neons? If we're working out ridgedly 1 inch to every gallon then I can see I don't have room but have I missed something?

Sadly not near Bristol,I'm in East Sussex. I would more than happily buy Corys from you too. They look fab!

Important question though......how can I check if there's enough oxygen in the aquarium? I have the flow turned down to as gentle as I can coz I wasn't sure the G's would like it but it does agitate the surface. I'd just like to be sure.

I'm getting more confused by the minute lol, because then you need to take into consideration that some fish are bottom dwellers and if you have say an elite 60 tank and they all dwell on the bottom the entire mid/top will be rarely used.

I'm beginning to think it's purely down to Will the fish have enough freedom of movement, will there be enough oxygen and will the water quality be perfect.

I mean if you were to stock a tank fully with Corys only and they swim around on the substrate level it would be pretty cluttered down there but completely empty on the wasted space above.

My head is beginning to explode!
 
Lol mine too. The issue that bothers me is them being more likely to get ill. With the probs I've had I don't want that.


THE website says with my current stocking ( 3 Platys, 2 Golden Honey Gouramis) plus 6 Pandas I'll be stocked at only 87% :S . Which is fine.......if it's true?
 

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