Nitrite & Ph Problems

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And I would attempt to lower the ammonia adds to 4ppm or slightly lighter (know its a tough judgement on the colors) considering the snails. Actually a good gravel-clean-water-change with filter light clean and a couple days and you might be cycled.

A glass crack appearing is serious business.

~~waterdrop~~
 
And I would attempt to lower the ammonia adds to 4ppm or slightly lighter (know its a tough judgement on the colors) considering the snails. Actually a good gravel-clean-water-change with filter light clean and a couple days and you might be cycled.

A glass crack appearing is serious business.

~~waterdrop~~

Thank you both for your suggestions and observations. The snail count was lower today - only 30 or so; pH has been 7.6 all day, including the pot of tap water. I'll lower the ammonia dose tomorrow. Last night I did a 50% wc, cleaned both drop-in filters but did not vacuum the gravel. I'll go that later tomorrow.

Should I clean out out the area around the 2 bio filters and the ramp over which the filtered water flows into the tank, too?

Waterdrop, if I'm cycled in a few days everyone here will cheer for Tropical Fish Forums.

As sure as I was the glass was cracked, I went to the store where we bought it. They - Petsmart, give them credit - agreed to give me a new tank. I came home, took another look at the crack and to my surprise I rubbed it away! It was a stubborn piece of sealant.
 
after dosing to 5ppm, at 12 hours Nitrites are up from .25 to 2.0. pH is 7.6. I'll lower ammonia dose tomorrow to 4ppm.

Ranjohns
 
Yes, in my opinion its never a problem cleaning up any and all parts of a filter mechanism, including the lip where the water flows over etc. Say you had biowheels or some biomedia like that, you'd just float them in a bucket of tank water which you had just reserved during a water change while you were doing the filter box cleaning, or even just let them float in the tank. People think that sounds yukky but it just pulls the bacteria right back into the filter where it belongs in the hours after you start the cleaned filter back up.

Yes, easy to get fooled by a stray bit of clean silicon and think its a glass crack, I've done that before! And count yourself lucky that it wasn't a real crack. We have a PetSmart tank and matching stand too for my son's tank and during my first setup and fishless cycle, some drops of water got into the hole in the wood where a metal support column was attached by a bolt. The wood was/is particle board and unbeknownst to me, it swelled up, creating a small bump under the edge of the tank. The tank bottom cracked and one night began dumping the entire 28 gallons of water into my son's room. We did get a new tank and stand from PetSmart but the whole thing was a real learning experience and now I pay a lot of attention to the leveling of the tank and the protection of any wood(I have plastic separating the tank from the wood), and I'm careful about where water drops go when doing water changes.

~~waterdrop~~
 
I cleaned the bio wheel assembly (let the bio wheels float in the tank and the rear filters in a bucket of tank water) and reduced the ammonia dose to approx 4ppm. After 12 hours tonight's readings are good:

Nitrites 0
pH 7.6
Nitrates 40ppm

Looking forward to the coming week. I'll post again tomorrow. In a future post I need to discuss how to reduce my fert regime once fish are in the tank.

Thanks for your help.

Ranjohns
 
I should add that the pH in my control pan of tap water, now 48 hours old, is 7.6; the tank is somewhat lower, somewhere between 7.6 and 7.2

Ranjohns
 
Day 71 nitrites at 0 after 12 hours.

Day 72 did not check nitrites. pH 7.2+

Day 73, today
dosed Ammonia to 4ppm; Nitrites 1.0 at 12 hours; pH 7.2+

Green bacteria growing on wood; bits of it are short and stringy; most is green film that can't be rubbed away.
Dosing Seachem ferts at recommended levels. I had been overdosing Excel but cut back to 3ml/day, 6x/week.

Ranjohns
 
Day 71 nitrites at 0 after 12 hours.

Day 72 did not check nitrites. pH 7.2+

Day 73, today
dosed Ammonia to 4ppm; Nitrites 1.0 at 12 hours; pH 7.2+

Green bacteria growing on wood; bits of it are short and stringy; most is green film that can't be rubbed away.
Dosing Seachem ferts at recommended levels. I had been overdosing Excel but cut back to 3ml/day, 6x/week.


Ranjohns

Check this site out to see if you cant identify what type of algae (or whatever else it could be) you have in your tank.

Whatever it is, it is most likely there because of the ammonia that is present in your tank from doing a fishless cycle. It will most likely clear up after a couple weeks after your cycle has completed.

Other than that, it looks like your fishless cycle is moving along nicely, and it should not be long until it is complete! :hyper:

-FHM
 
Day 74 Ammonia to 4ppm

At 14 hours:
Nitrites at 0.25
pH 7.2

3 days ago I reduced the Seachem Excel dose from 5ml/day 6 x/week to the recommended 3ml/day, 6x/week. Since then, some leaves on the tips of stem plants are turning brown. And, something slowed down the nitrite-eating colony. Nitrites on day 71 were 0 at 12 hours; 72, missed measuring; 73, 1.0 at 12 hours; today, day 74, 0.25 at 14 hours.

Ranjohns
 
Don't worry, what you get from your "12 hour snapshot of nitrite at that moment" is not going to be an ever declining number, its going to bounce around but be going down in the longer run (kind of like a stock market graph.)

~~waterdrop~~
 
Don't worry, what you get from your "12 hour snapshot of nitrite at that moment" is not going to be an ever declining number, its going to bounce around but be going down in the longer run (kind of like a stock market graph.)

~~waterdrop~~

Waterdrop, thanks for your reply.

Today, the nitrite slope at 12 hours is 0.5; at 14 hrs, 0.25. Snails, on the other hand, are increasing. I read somewhere that a slice of cucumber plaed int he tank overnight will attract many snails. I'll try it this weekend.

Fish ahead.....

Ranjohns
 
Someone the other day said to try a weighted piece of lettuce (or cucumber or both) on a teacup saucer overnight and then if its successful and you see a lot of snails on the veggies in the morning then lift the plate up very slowly and if any snails fall off the veggies they should land on the plate. Don't put them live into your indoor trash as they'll crawl out!

~~waterdrop~~
 
Someone the other day said to try a weighted piece of lettuce (or cucumber or both) on a teacup saucer overnight and then if its successful and you see a lot of snails on the veggies in the morning then lift the plate up very slowly and if any snails fall off the veggies they should land on the plate. Don't put them live into your indoor trash as they'll crawl out!

~~waterdrop~~

We're moving sideways. Nitrites, with Ammonia dosed to 4ppm at 83 degrees, went to 1.0 at 12 hours.

I'll try the lettuce/cucumber combo tomorrow. pH, however, is 7.2+......Ranjohns
 

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