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[Lynda B]

I was tempted only once, but when I realized that the aroma reminded me slightly of Grandma's sneakers, I was able to resist..... I think I had Ben & Jerry's Phish Food instead.....

 

[TylerFerretLord]

B)-->QUOTE(Lynda B @ Jul 16 2007, 08:56 AM) [snapback]1692578[/snapback]
I didn't know anything about fishless cycling when I started up my tank. I started without weird chemicals, had 3 serpae tetras and 2 red eye tetras, went through cycling beautifully (took about 4 weeks). I still have those first fish, as well as the fish I've slowly added to my tank since then.

I don't know why you insist on making this so hard, when it's really not. And, at the expense of your fish, too.

Get rid of the funky chemicals, check your water params, change your water regularly and just cycle the damn tank already..... [/quote]

this is being made way to hard. chemicals only turn a natural process into an unnatural one in my opinion.

considering you have fish in your tank and you are worried about them dealing with ammonia spikes etc, wouldnt you be better off doing it naturally and doing a lot of water changes??? adding chemicals etc IMO is unecessary and a waste of money.

sorry if this has already been said but i didnt read all the posts before replying. would forget what i wanted to say otherwise

B)-->QUOTE(Lynda B @ Jul 16 2007, 09:19 AM) [snapback]1692601[/snapback]
apparently, it can't be said enough...... we're just not getting our point across.... [/quote]
I am cycling a filter in a ten gallon, I said that already. I'm not adding anything to the water, either. It's just filter material.

The zeolite will last long enough, why expose the fish to any amount of ammonia or nitrite when I don't have to?

 

[-germ-]

It would also be worth looking into if zeolite has anything in common with SeaChems Purigen, if so using some cycling and slimecoat products (amine based) can actually result in Purigen releasing toxins that'll kill your fish. Just a thought....

 

[Lynda B]

The zeolite will last long enough, why expose the fish to any amount of ammonia or nitrite when I don't have to?

why expose your fish to chemicals if you don't have to.....

 

[TylerFerretLord]

B)-->QUOTE(Lynda B @ Jul 16 2007, 01:09 PM) [snapback]1692885[/snapback]

The zeolite will last long enough, why expose the fish to any amount of ammonia or nitrite when I don't have to?

why expose your fish to chemicals if you don't have to.....
[/quote]
It's not a chemical! It's a mineral! Many people use it.

What you're saying is:

Get rid of zeolite and expose fish to toxins.

What I'm saying is:

Keep zeolite and wait for ten-gallon tank to cycle, leaving tank toxin free.

Do you understand why I'm not going to take it out? I will once I get the cycled filter in, because it will serve not purpose then, but until it's done, it's staying in.

 

[-germ-]

Did you notice my post, 3 back about toxicity from amine based products?
May apply, not sure but in your position i'd contact the manufacturer.

Does zeolite expire after a certain length of time?
Have you checked if anyone has experienced spikes when using it?

 

[TylerFerretLord]

Did you notice my post, 3 back about toxicity from amine based products?
May apply, not sure but in your position i'd contact the manufacturer.

Does zeolite expire after a certain length of time?
Have you checked if anyone has experienced spikes when using it?

I missed that, sorry.

I googled around, found a buch of stuff about the pads and stress-coat, but nothing on zeolite.

I wouldn't think it would expire. I checked wiki, nothing, then checked google, nothing.

Didn't find anything about spikes either.

 

[-germ-]

Oh just been reading up, how long has the same zeolite been in for?
Any chance its filtration capability expired, you suffered a spike and now your tank is actually cycled?
Any nitrates?
I've lost track of the post TBH.
In one of my fish books it states specifically that zeolite expires and should only really be considered as a temporary, emergency measure.
Not saying what you've tried is incorrect but getting the feeling that it has quite likely expired, there must be a test you can perform to check?
Adding some nitrite laden water from your 10gal cycler and seeing if it dissapears? Obviously only if you have space somewhere to temporarily re-home the molly.
Or did you say you have nitrate present? I forget...

 

[Lynda B]

You initially came in here because you were losing a lot of fish. We told you that it was probably because of an uncycled tank. You seemed to want to hang in the middle somewhere between cycling your tank and not cycling your tank. We have offered you information and options. You have declined everything. If you're hell-bent on staying with your original plan, you'll lose more fish. I just can't figure out why you're so afraid to just cycle the tank.

I know that I'm really tired of saying the same thing to you over and over. Just keep using the stuff you've been using. Your fish will die. You'll wonder what happened. And it will remain a vicious cycle.

 

[n3ont3tra]

http/www.fishforums.net/Important-Announ...rs-t204250.html

So I was right with why your fish died, then? It was the food, not the cycle. And the molly and shrimp just didn't eat any of it...

 

[Benauld]

I am cycling a filter in a ten gallon, I said that already. I'm not adding anything to the water, either. It's just filter material.

I assume you are fishless cycling you're ten gallon? You should be adding ammonia...

If not, which species are you cycling with?

Just on a side note; fish are far hardier than you seem to give them credit for: Years ago, before all this cycling stuff became widespread, I used to run a tank with an UGF. Every month I did a complete teardown, full gravel vac, and more than fifty percent water changes with untreated tap water. There is no way that tank could have ever been cycled properly. Surprisingly, I lost very few fish over the couple of years I was running it for. I'm not saying it was healthy for the fish, or correct. However, the fish did live...

 

[fishlette]

why expose your fish to chemicals if you don't have to.....
[/quote][/size]
It's not a chemical! It's a mineral! Many people use it.

What you're saying is:

Get rid of zeolite and expose fish to toxins.

What I'm saying is:

Keep zeolite and wait for ten-gallon tank to cycle, leaving tank toxin free.

Do you understand why I'm not going to take it out? I will once I get the cycled filter in, because it will serve not purpose then, but until it's done, it's staying in.
[/quote]

excuse me of this is misguided as i have never used zeolite but a question keeps popping to mind and thats 'how the hell is your tank ever going to cycle if you are using something to take out the main ingredient needed to cycle it???'

ok, for a hardy fish in a cycling tank, i liken it to someone from the country who breathes clean air, going to the city for a few weeks. sure, its prob not great for you but you survive it and go home and feel much better once you get back to that country air.

basically, you have to do it. maybe you should have thought about it more and did a fishless cycle before hand so that this supposed cycling process that is taking forever, isnt drawn out and causing maybe even minute stress to the fish. something has happened in your tank and you need to accept the fact that maybe, just maybe the zeolite is causing some probs. its a process of elimination. if everything else has been ruled out and one thing remains, usually you have your culprit. maybe listening when you are given the advice you are seeking might help fix your problem. even daily water changes is better than messing with the natural harmony that is starting to develop in yourt ank when you cycle.

 

[TylerFerretLord]

Oh just been reading up, how long has the same zeolite been in for?
Any chance its filtration capability expired, you suffered a spike and now your tank is actually cycled?
Any nitrates?
I've lost track of the post TBH.
In one of my fish books it states specifically that zeolite expires and should only really be considered as a temporary, emergency measure.
Not saying what you've tried is incorrect but getting the feeling that it has quite likely expired, there must be a test you can perform to check?
Adding some nitrite laden water from your 10gal cycler and seeing if it dissapears? Obviously only if you have space somewhere to temporarily re-home the molly.
Or did you say you have nitrate present? I forget...

I've been changing the zeolite.
Does it expire in two weeks? That's how I've been doing it and I have two packets.

B)-->QUOTE(Lynda B @ Jul 16 2007, 01:31 PM) [snapback]1692920[/snapback]
You initially came in here because you were losing a lot of fish. We told you that it was probably because of an uncycled tank. You seemed to want to hang in the middle somewhere between cycling your tank and not cycling your tank. We have offered you information and options. You have declined everything. If you're hell-bent on staying with your original plan, you'll lose more fish. I just can't figure out why you're so afraid to just cycle the tank.

I know that I'm really tired of saying the same thing to you over and over. Just keep using the stuff you've been using. Your fish will die. You'll wonder what happened. And it will remain a vicious cycle.[/quote]
I lost fish from a combination of ich and chilodonella.

I'm worried because I've had extroidanarily bad luck from the beggining.

I'm tired of saying that I'm cycling a filter in another tank. The zeolite is only a temporary measure.

I am cycling a filter in a ten gallon, I said that already. I'm not adding anything to the water, either. It's just filter material.

I assume you are fishless cycling you're ten gallon? You should be adding ammonia...

If not, which species are you cycling with?

Just on a side note; fish are far hardier than you seem to give them credit for: Years ago, before all this cycling stuff became widespread, I used to run a tank with an UGF. Every month I did a complete teardown, full gravel vac, and more than fifty percent water changes with untreated tap water. There is no way that tank could have ever been cycled properly. Surprisingly, I lost very few fish over the couple of years I was running it for. I'm not saying it was healthy for the fish, or correct. However, the fish did live...

I know they can be very hardy, but I've had bad luck so far.

And yes, I am adding ammonia. I meant I'm not adding anything to the tank with fish.

excuse me of this is misguided as i have never used zeolite but a question keeps popping to mind and thats 'how the hell is your tank ever going to cycle if you are using something to take out the main ingredient needed to cycle it???'

ok, for a hardy fish in a cycling tank, i liken it to someone from the country who breathes clean air, going to the city for a few weeks. sure, its prob not great for you but you survive it and go home and feel much better once you get back to that country air.

basically, you have to do it. maybe you should have thought about it more and did a fishless cycle before hand so that this supposed cycling process that is taking forever, isnt drawn out and causing maybe even minute stress to the fish. something has happened in your tank and you need to accept the fact that maybe, just maybe the zeolite is causing some probs. its a process of elimination. if everything else has been ruled out and one thing remains, usually you have your culprit. maybe listening when you are given the advice you are seeking might help fix your problem. even daily water changes is better than messing with the natural harmony that is starting to develop in yourt ank when you cycle.

It was the contaminated food, I feed the goldfish flakes that were mentioned in the warning topic.

Also, IT'S NOT STAYING IN FOREVER! I've said several times that I'm cycling a filter fishlessly. The zeolite is in there to prevent any stress to the fish. Mabye a week or two more. However long a fishless cycle takes.

 

[keith67]

ive got a headache now ...all double dutch to me this is .....i was the same as a couple of posts back filled the tank up added some warm water to get the temp up then put fish in .....all had air bubbles all over them but they all lived .....so whats all this chemical stuff

 

[starrynightxxi]

are you aware that when your filter is cycled on a ten gallon, it's still not cycled for your 29 gallon and you will STILL have to go through a cycle while the bacteria tries to catch up?