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Cloudy Water, Can Anyone Offer Any Advice?

update: I've now done another 20% water change which means it's had 50% in total in the last 24 hours. The 'poorly' platy has gone back to swimming around so I'm guessing things are better in there now.

I'll head down to P.A.H in the morning for a water test and if that ammonia hasn't reduced massively I think I may well scream :hyper:
 
Having scan read the above, if you're Nitrite was 0.5ppm, and that was earlier today, 50% just isnt enough im afraid. Its likely risen since then, and with 50% of the water, that's only down to 0.25ppm, and that's a conservative estimate right now. Its also still potentially lethal

You really, for the long term health of the fish, should be doing another 90% change right now, no matter how active the fish seem.

Some very experienced members have given you the best advice above, i really urge you to take them up on it. Its might only be a fish to you, but it depends on you to stay alive...
 
But, if your ammonia started a 0.5ppm, a 50% change will only have reduced it to 0.25, which is at the very top end of accepatable and it will have risen again by tomorrow; that's why you really, really need to be doing larger water changes.

Lots of 20 or 25% changes just won't do the job of bringing that ammonia down in the way a large change will do. There is no risk with doing large changes, as long as the new water is warmed and dechlorinated.
 
thanks guys, I'll tackle it in the morning. I have quite a few health issues that have kicked in now (fibromyalgia, M.E and a twisted spine) and I really can't face bucket after bucket. I'll see what the level is in the morning and if I have to get the fish out of the tank and into a bucket and do a complete change I will. I will beat the ammonia problem it's just gonna take me a little longer and if I lose the odd fish in the process then so be it. I know that may sound harsh but it's not meant to :)
 
Morning. The fish have made it through the night and are all nice and active this morning. The water is also clearer than it's been for roughly a week. I used the volume calculator on here late last night the work out that my tank is 57 litres. In order for the filter to work correctly with the condensation tray in and the hood on I've not been able to fill the tank to the top. By that I estimate there's around 50 litres of water in there. I then calculated that over a period of 24 hours I'd replaced around 35 litres of water - more than 50% then.

Can I also add that I was a more than a little upset by Mowbz's comment that I'm not listening and I needed to remove 90% water Right Now.
I am listening Mowbz. I'm trying to do the best for my tank and ordering me to remove nearly all the water after 9pm on an evening wasn't helpful.

There has been so much conflicting advice over the last 24 hours that I'm now incredibly stressed and worried about my fish and also very very confused.
First it was remove 20% water, then 50%, then 75% and then 80% and then finally 90%. By the time I went to bed I wanted to cry and I was considering bagging up all the fish today and taking them all back to the aquatic centre and giving up keeping them. I got up at 3am (having barely slept with worry) to check they were all still alive. They were resting ... if only I was.

I'm sorry for the rant but I needed to get it off my chest.
 
I'm sorry you're finding it so stressful and confusing - that really wasn't the intention.

As for conflicting advice, that never helps matters, but here is the bottom line:

The guy in the shop as halfway there but just not quite enough. Testing and changing the water is important, but at a higher frequency than he told you.

The fifty percent change you did was absolutely better than twenty percent and hopefully no one here would ever suggest you do more than you physically could. I'm no stranger to it myself - I took it upon myself to set up a 180l tank right before major cancer surgery earlier this year. Stitches and buckets are a bad mix! So it all went a bit wrong and took ages to cycle even though I seeded it from another filter. In the end I had to get inventive with siphons going straight out the window etc.

Get someone to help you if you can but you need to do the largest waterchange you can daily. Aim for 75%. In fifty litres of water, toxins can build up rapidly. This is another reason you need your own test kit so that you can detect these changes early, before waiting for fish to show signs of ill health.

This is really as much advice as we can give - we can do all but physically help.

Take a few steps back mentally from it and just make it a routine, a process that must be done. No more checking the fish at 3am, what will be will be!
 
thanks Soybean. I've just got back from P@H and it's down to somewhere between 0 and 0.25. I spoke to my friend last night who has an ebay account and she's going to get me a test kit off there (£20 with free postage - much better price)

I'm torn right now between leaving the tank alone and hope that the filter and plants deal with the what left of the ammonia or taking it upon myself to start syphoning water again. I'm not able to do the pipe out of the window method as I'm in a first floor flat and I don't think my downstairs neighbour would be happy about fish tank water running down her windows!!

If I do another w/c it means buckets and buckets of water hoisted into the sink or bath and I really ache today from doing that yesterday. I'm also very tired from yesterday and checking fish at 3am! lol

Nobody else's comments upset me - just the one I mentioned. Everyone was trying to help and I appreciate that. In hindsight I should've come back from P@H, posted the result here, waited an hour for people to get back to me and then done a large w/c. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Instead I acted on the first bit of advice from a large chain petstore (doh) and then panicked when it seemed I'd not done the right thing.

Anyway, thanks for everything guys. I may just see how things go today and look at doing another large water change over the weekend.

ps - I hope you've recovered fully from the cancer soybean. I lost my Mum to cancer so I know how evil it is. All the best x
 
Update: I've been to my favourite little pet shop and had a good look at all the products for testing etc so I know what's available. I got some stuff my King British called Safe Water. It uses Bacillus Bateria to break down the organic matter both in the filter and in the gravel. Then nytrifying bacteria converts the ammonia & nitrite into nitrate removing the ammonia from the water. I've not got it to replace w/c's just to see if it brings the level down a bit further. I'll do another w/c over weekend.

I also got more live plants. I really hope I've done the right thing this time :unsure:
 
Morning. The fish have made it through the night and are all nice and active this morning. The water is also clearer than it's been for roughly a week. I used the volume calculator on here late last night the work out that my tank is 57 litres. In order for the filter to work correctly with the condensation tray in and the hood on I've not been able to fill the tank to the top. By that I estimate there's around 50 litres of water in there. I then calculated that over a period of 24 hours I'd replaced around 35 litres of water - more than 50% then.

Can I also add that I was a more than a little upset by Mowbz's comment that I'm not listening and I needed to remove 90% water Right Now.
I am listening Mowbz. I'm trying to do the best for my tank and ordering me to remove nearly all the water after 9pm on an evening wasn't helpful.

There has been so much conflicting advice over the last 24 hours that I'm now incredibly stressed and worried about my fish and also very very confused.
First it was remove 20% water, then 50%, then 75% and then 80% and then finally 90%. By the time I went to bed I wanted to cry and I was considering bagging up all the fish today and taking them all back to the aquatic centre and giving up keeping them. I got up at 3am (having barely slept with worry) to check they were all still alive. They were resting ... if only I was.

I'm sorry for the rant but I needed to get it off my chest.

Thanks for listening to me, but the advice above is sound, from me, and from the others who are even more experienced than I.

I appreciate from reading the above this afternoon that you are dealing with illness also, and so i know it must be difficult with an arthritis based ailment to be humping buckets of water around ( i am only 23, but after a motorbike accident where i lost my left kneecap, i now have the same in both, so i know how hard it can be some days), however;

The fish in the tank really are depending on you to survive, and the water changed above changed in amounts as you came back with different info.

To clarify for the future;

Any amount of Ammonia or Nitrite is potentially lethal to your fish.
If you have .50ppm of Nitrite, and you do a 50% water change, you taken it down to half, 0.25ppm, which is still potentially lethal. This is why we were advising 90% water changes, to get rid of all of it.

Just over a week ago, i read my API test for ammonia wrong, and the world fell out of my backside when i noticed there was 0.25ppm of ammonia in there. Now it turned out that it was actually 0ppm, i was just reading it under poor light, but it didnt stop me emptying about 300 of a total 340ltrs out of my tank at 10pm at night. It didnt matter what time it was, my fish were in danger.

I hope this helps.

Ben
 
Ben, while you are spot on in that the fish are dependant on owners for their well-being, sometimes the owner's well-being has to come first. If I noticed ammonia at 10pm I'm afraid that wc would wait until morning, even if I was feeling tip top!
 
Ben, while you are spot on in that the fish are dependant on owners for their well-being, sometimes the owner's well-being has to come first. If I noticed ammonia at 10pm I'm afraid that wc would wait until morning, even if I was feeling tip top!

I was physically able lol. Not suggesting for a minute that the unwell should be pushing themselves for the sake of so few fish!
 
Thanks for the replies and I'm sorry if I've trod on toes. I'm new here and wouldn't want to offend anyone.

Anyway ...

As things are right now all the fish are happily swimming round, I've just increased the aeriation on the filter (I turn it down at night cos it's noisy and I forgot to put it back up this morning) My dwarf algea eater is cleaning the glass happily (I call him Otto, he's my favourite) they've all investigated the new plant (a clump of camboda {spelling?}) I was too scared to wash the plant as I didn't want to put anything in there that had been anywhere near tap water - if I get snails I'll deal with them lol
I plan a water change again either tomorrow or Sunday. How much should I take out though? The ammonia was between 0 and 0.25 this morning. I can go back to P@H and get it re-tested if anyone thinks it's a good idea. I'm presuming the King British Safe Water solution was a good idea seen as no-one has said it wasn't ....

Anyway ... thoughts on the amount of water to remove??
 
Remove as much as you physically can! Leave just enough for the fish to swim upright.

Cabomba is a lovely bushy plant but one I find impossible to keep alive myself, plants are ny nemesis! You could well get a few snails but remove them when you see them (mine go straight out the window!) and they shouldn't be a problem.

Your dwarf algae eater, is it an otocinclus? Presumably that's why you call it Otto anyway... just to let you know they're group fish - when this cycling us all dealt with, get him at least two more friends. They can become very miserable without company and fade away. I have four (for now) and it's lovely to watch them swim around together. I say add AFTER cycling because they are very sensitive to poor water conditions, so it's better to wait in this case.
 
yeah he is an otocinculus - at least that's what they said at the aquatic centre - but they also said he's be fine on his own ... so draw your own conclussion. I didn't know he needed friends and I will correct that now I know - thanks. So that's 3 neon tetra's and at least 2 more otto's on my list. There's no way I'd get anymore fish at the moment. I want to get things right and feel a bit more confident that I know what I'm doing first. I'd like a pitus catfish (have I spelt that right?) too but not just yet.

They must be all feeling better anyway cos they're chasing each other round like nutters and have been for the last couple of hours. I'll still get that ammonia check done tomorrow though and aim for a 50% change of water - more if I can manage it.

Thanks love :)
 

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