Bad Betta

[indigoj]

I can only repeat and second what has been said. There is NO readily available plec other than otocinclus that is suitable for 30l tank. If the LFS told you the plec was a dwarf then they are pulling a fast one.

Is this the same plec you originally bought or did you replace that with this so called 'dwarf bristlenose'? As that plec was not even a bristlie it was a common and the only way that will be a dwarf is if you keep it in a 30l tank until it dies a horrible painful stunted death.

Your best option is return the plec and put the betta back in the 30l tank which is fine for him.

 

[lilacamy931]

I really would listen to the above advice hon, keep the betta and return the bristlenose. It is the kindest and most responsible thing to do and as you have limited space and was planning on the one tank this is what i would do.

 

[-L-O-T-T-E-]

Hey guys... well I went out on my lunch and came back with a brand new tank for Rufus

http/www.onlinepetsupplies.uk.com/p/7151...m-15-litre.html

I managed to get it for £35.00 and got a biorb heater thrown in

I am laughing at how he is naughty and gets a brand new tank out of it.

I asked again about my catfish and once again I was assured he was a small one (why do I always forget the name!!!)

Thanks for all ur help.... hopefully he will be nice and happy again in his new fancy tank.

I am slighly annoyed that a his new smaller tank cost more than my 30L!

 

[Curiosity101]

That's an awful tank...

The only catfish/plec type fish suitable for 30l are...
Otto
Pitbull Plec
And possibly an L129

If you fish is none of the above then it isn't suitable. End of. If you don't want to believe it then fine... but you are wrong and the lfs is spinning you a line cause they like your money.

Another piece of proof that they're thinking of the money before they're thinking of the fish is in the fact they've recommended a 15l biorb for a betta.

Almost ANY other 15l tank would have been 100% more suitable.

 

[-L-O-T-T-E-]

That's an awful tank...

The only catfish/plec type fish suitable for 30l are...
Otto
Pitbull Plec
And possibly an L129

If you fish is none of the above then it isn't suitable. End of. If you don't want to believe it then fine... but you are wrong and the lfs is spinning you a line cause they like your money.

WHY IS THIS ONE AWFUL NOW???

As for the catfish, I went to take it back twice and they said it was fine... I am not saying I don't believe u so keep ur hair on. I will take him back AGAIN!!!!!

 

[Curiosity101]

You didn't take him back twice. You half heartedly took him, asked them if he would get to big, and every time they lied you accepted it because you wanted to keep him.
I'm not saying you HAVE to take it back. It's your fish. But the facts are, there is no chance that it is suitable for that tank, so the responsible thing to do would be to take it back and demand your money back.

Also the biorbs are bad for a few reasons:

The swimming room isn't a very good shape for the fish. It'll actually just have to swim round n round in a circle, much like in a goldfish bowl.
If it swims up or down it will more than likely bump into the sides of the bowl

They don't give a large enough surface area to oxygenate the water (much less of an issue with bettas, but still a definite desgin flaw.

The opening to them isn't very big so it isn't great for trying to plant.

It's not got enough ground surface area to do any good planting meaning that the betta wont really have much to explore

At 15l it's still a bit small for a betta

 

[-L-O-T-T-E-]

Thanks for your opinions, but it's his new home now

 

[Curiosity101]

They're no opinions, they're facts. Big difference.

My 'opinion' is that a normal shaped 15l tank is too small.

It is 'FACT' that a 15l biorb is too small.

 

[-L-O-T-T-E-]

They're no opinions, they're facts. Big difference.

My 'opinion' is that a normal shaped 15l tank is too small.

It is 'FACT' that a 15l biorb is too small.

Well tbh I think it's better than a 7 litre and certainly alot better than some of the places they are kept.

I will do my best to make him a nice happy home, just like before!!

 

[lilacamy931]

hey hon, you have bought it, it is your decision and you are going to keep him in it, the facts of the biorb have been provided by curiosity101. Just ensure you keep eye on him settling.

As to the other fish you have I do not know adequate sizing of tanks or anything, but if the tank is too small it will suffer and die a shortened life.

 

[-L-O-T-T-E-]

hey hon, you have bought it, it is your decision and you are going to keep him in it, the facts of the biorb have been provided by curiosity101. Just ensure you keep eye on him settling.

As to the other fish you have I do not know adequate sizing of tanks or anything, but if the tank is too small it will suffer and die a shortened life.

Hellooooo, I will be watching him for ages every night hehe

Don't worry I don't want any of my fish suffering, thats why I have just been out and spend the little money I had on what I thought was a good tank for my betta

 

[lilacamy931]

At the end of the day hon there will be differing opinions and strong ones at that. My personal is 3-5g. You will have difficulty in planting and other things mentioned above, but perhaps get those creative juices flowing. Please do keep us updated how they both get on.

 

[Forestpisces]

Return the bi-orb and do what i do,

Go to pets at home and buy the 27litre clearseal £16.99

Add your decore heater and filter and away you go!!!

The clearseals are a far better (and cheaper) choice as they are 27litres LONG, this means the fish has far more swimming space and plenty of room to explore, when i move back to my bedroom all my bettas (bar Radish of course) will be in one of these. They easily fit on a side table or surface so no excuses there.

Bi-orbs IMO are awful and hideousely overpriced tanks, their filteration is awful and the heaters are average at best and are known for breaking down (people return them to the shop i work in all the time) the swimming space provided for the fish is tiny especially in the 15litre and as curiosity said the fish can only swim in a circle and proper cover for if the fish gets scared or nervouse is almost impossible to provide.

As for the plec IMO there is no plec suitable for anything under 60litres due to their size and waste they produce return the plec it will die prematurely in a small tank lasting maybe a year depending on what type it is, plecs can easily live 20-30 years just like a goldfish can if given an appropriate tank.

Please don't just ignore us because you think it all looks OK we are trying to help you fish have 9 month memories and are to some level intelligent and can interact with their owners and recognise sounds, smells, colours and even people, this in my opinion makes them have just as much right as any creature to live a long and happy life.

DDon't just assume it's all ok because later down the line, it won't be

 

[indigoj]

Got to agree on the biorbe, I know someone who had 3 bettas die in the bigger version before she gave up trying to keep one in it.

If you take it back I've got a 60l rectangular tank you can have for £15 and I'll have the plec too if you don't want it back at the lfs.

 

[-L-O-T-T-E-]

Oh no I do appreciate ur help and I am listening

It's just not very helpful when you have gone out bought a tank, got it at a good price (and prob can't take back) and then people say it is crap etc etc.

I was told he needed at least 3 us gallons... so I made sure I got him 4, now I have done that there is another poblem.

Yes I did look at buying the clearseal ones, but I was confused how I would attach all the bits and also it was gonna work out 2 expensive.

My tank is crap.... and I can't take it back, so basically I am screwed and my fish is gonna be unhappy and unhealthy.

Got to agree on the biorbe, I know someone who had 3 bettas die in the bigger version before she gave up trying to keep one in it.

If you take it back I've got a 60l rectangular tank you can have for £15 and I'll have the plec too if you don't want it back at the lfs.

Wow really... what does it look like??

Oh and what are the sizes as I may struggle to fit it into my studio