Assumption...

[SamUK]

Anyways, I am fed up with all the people who post on this forum complaining about unfair treatment of fish

*yawn*

 

[Fate2006]

Posting the link on your own thread saying don't go to it seems somewhat strange.

The statement unfair treatment of fish is a little to broad also, many threads on this forum are people complaining about someones unfair treatment of fish, such as overstocking.

If you do not want to see a disturbing picture, do not click on it, quite simple.

That was post was from a thread I found eariler yesterday morning titles " Horrible pics", I used it as an expample and that's why I said not to view it, because it's links such as that, that people visit and this just encourages the person who made that link originally, if we really cared about the cruelty to animals, and educating people we wouldn't post a picture, we would describe the setting, tell the people here what you saw and your feelings on it, then send the poster of that picture and e-mail explaining why you believe that they are being curel to those fish... this producess more education than just saying "OMG look at these pics soo wrong!".

What does that tell us? It tells us that the pictures are disturbing... well ya we know... anyways the original point of this was to post if you agree that these pictures should be deleted upon being found by a moderator...

 

[linda1503]

I can understand where you are coming from Fate2006 and I for one do not open these sites and give them another 'hit' We all undertstand nature can be cruel but thats in the wild with a fighting chance not stuck in a tank, like Vinyman said.

 

[LisaLQ]

if we really cared about the cruelty to animals, and educating people we wouldn't post a picture, we would describe the setting, tell the people here what you saw and your feelings on it, then send the poster of that picture and e-mail explaining why you believe that they are being curel to those fish...

I still dont get your logic on this one. You're asking folks not to bring attention to bad fish keeping practises, but then in your message you say this:

such as this one I ran across this morning, club.6park.com/upload/up5/326.jpg <---- PLEASE DO NOT VISIT AS TEMPTING AS IT IS!!

...which is you bringing attention to the same thing? You just did what you're telling folks off for doing.

Personally I dont have a problem with people posting the links or pictures. And no, if it were up to me, which it isn't lol, I wouldn't want a mod to delete them. I'd want to see them, then be able to comment on them - or more specifically discuss them, which is what a discussion forum is for, is it not?

 

[Birdie]

If you dont want to look at it, then don't.

I feel that if we don't visit the sites these people set up than they will become bored with their site and pictures because minimal people view them

And yet you even know the url for one of the pictures - and felt the need to post it. Twice.

Why on earth did you open that particular thread?? It can't have been "accidentally" - there was a very clear warning in the title as to the likely content.

Also, don't claim to accidently come across these videos, it's not possible with 90% of search engines, you need to be more specific than anything, so the only way to see a video like that is pretty much typing in "fish eats bigger fish" or "Piranahs feeding time

How the heck do you know that?

Besides which, a picture is worth a thousand words in galvanising public opinion against any sort of cruelty, abuse or injustice.

It's one thing to say "I have chosen not to look at these ghastly pictures"

It is quite another to try to insist that nobody else does either.

 

[newtotropical]

Here we go again!

 

[andywg]

Personally I dont have a problem with people posting the links or pictures. And no, if it were up to me, which it isn't lol, I wouldn't want a mod to delete them. I'd want to see them, then be able to comment on them - or more specifically discuss them, which is what a discussion forum is for, is it not?

I must agree wholeheartedly with Lisa here. Censorship is not the way to educate people about what is right and wrong.

Also, don't claim to accidently come across these videos, it's not possible with 90% of search engines, you need to be more specific than anything, so the only way to see a video like that is pretty much typing in "fish eats bigger fish" or "Piranahs feeding time

How the heck do you know that?

Birdie is on the right track.

It would be easy to find them by accident. Try just putting pirannha into youtube, I bet there are a fair few that come up with them eating. How do you know beforehand whether they are eating live or not?

Your moral crusade, while having good intentions at heart, smacks a lot of Mary Whitehouse to me. You don't like seeing something and therefore desire everyone else to not be able to see it as well. It is as if the rest of the world is unable to self-censor themselves and must rely on you for moral guidance on what they can and can't view.

I for one do not subscribe to this view.

 

[Ferris]

Some very good points being made in this thread now.

My own opinion is that a complete ban of these types of video would be censorship taken too far. However on a practical note - this is a family forum and some of these videos are simply not appropriate for younger members where a warning in the title would only make it seem more enticing to open/view.

I think the answer is to review them on an individual basis - most are harmless and make for valid discussion but if you post something particularly grotesque or unsuitable for younger children - don't be surprised if the thread dissappears.

 

[nukeonekitty]

I think it would be silly to delete the videos. If you don't want to see it, you don't have to.

Most of these pics vids would never happen in the wild.

How on earth would you know that?

As for the people that think it is cruel for a fish to eat... another fish (natural). I remember seeing a video of piranhas (in the wild) eating a large bird that fell into the water. As cruel as it may seem it is 100% natural for a carnivore fish to eat other animals...

It is yes but thats what nature shows are for, I have no desire to try and recreate something like it at home because I like fish and treat them equally.

Maybe other people do want to recreate a bio tope in their fish tank. You can only see so much in nature show and at least when you do it in a fish tank you are not out there running over the natural habitats of animals just to make money off a good picture.

 

[TerraDreamer]

I must agree wholeheartedly with Lisa here. Censorship is not the way to educate people about what is right and wrong.

Your moral crusade, while having good intentions at heart, smacks a lot of Mary Whitehouse to me. You don't like seeing something and therefore desire everyone else to not be able to see it as well. It is as if the rest of the world is unable to self-censor themselves and must rely on you for moral guidance on what they can and can't view.

I for one do not subscribe to this view.

 

[Fate2006]

As I expected this is just becoming a topic to flame... I am now requesting that Tolak or CFC or another mod delete this thread... The original point was to discorage people from giving these sitres reconition... I can see that not many people feel the same way as I do...

 

[nukeonekitty]

Fate I think you like seeing people fight.... if you are surprised it keeps happening then don't post controversial subjects!

 

[Fate2006]

I'm well aware of this subject being controversial that's why I said to post if you agree with what I said... I should've said "if you don't agree then don't post and argue"...

 

[InaneCathode]

Anyways, I am fed up with all the people who post on this forum complaining about unfair treatment of fish

*yawn*

I 2nd that!!!!

3rded.

Your original post got deleted because it stirred up too much fighting and ill will among forum members. So what do you do? Repost essentially the same thing.
Let dead dogs lie man, sheesh.

Edit:
This is a forum. People post their views and opinions. Don't tell people "DONT READ IF UR OFFENDED LOLZ" or something like that. People have a right to be offended, and they have a right to speak up about it. (on the same merit, if you dont like setup predatory activity in the home environ, don't watch it... right?)

 

[Tessla]

Fate: I've been on a lot of forums before and any post stating "post if you agree" or "if you don't agree then don't post and argue" is sure to get everyone who disagrees with you posting in a rage, just the way it seems to work. Unless you wanted to start a flame war (hoping that wasn't the point here) it's best to avoid phrases like that. Any controversial subject is going to have opinions on both sides, that’s what makes it controversial in the first place so you'll have to accept that there will be opinions stated on both sides.

I think there's a bit of truth to both sides... but you've also got to take into account that even though a video on Youtube may be getting a lot of hits, it may also be getting a lot of negative ratings and comments. Now the poster may be trolling for negative feedback, but on the other hand it might make him think twice about what he's doing... may also make other viewers stop and think for a second. Similarly, anyone with contact information up is likely going to receive some negative correspondence. It's a bit of a mixed bag though, some things are way too extreme to be posted on this forum, and others might provide an opportunity to educate the public. I wouldn't consider totally ignoring these things to be such a good idea, visuals can be an extremely useful tool, but there is a point past which it goes too far.