aquascaper, I feel your comments towards me a little on the blunt side and I appologise if my knowledge of marine is not up to yours. I have plenty of patience, and you only have to browse through my 600 uk gallons of setups to see this. I keep happs, which sadly take more patience than keeping most other tropical fish including marine or even living reefs as it can take 5 years or so before the fish reach maturity. your tank is nice I admit, but its a bit on the borring side considering you have been keeping them for years and you have had so many different tanks, but theres no harm in trying to find alternatives and theres always different ways of doing things, but a bit of friendly advise would not go a miss. thanks.