Why Do Some People Not Cover Their Tanks?

Just looking at some of the posts and the heat they're generating all I can really say is just like life people have more than one way of doing something, each with their own pro's and con's. Debating the pro's and con's is fine but some of the posts are bordering on personal remarks regarding the competence or lack of the posters.

Both view points (open and covered) are perfectly valid to me... if you have an open tank then realise your fish are jumpers cover it. If not then why not have an open tank if there are no external risks (kids,cats etc.)?

As with anything in life it is about managing the perceived, suspected and real risks against the benifits.
 
Hm, ultimately i can't see how a clear plastic condensation tray or sheet of glass will destroy the look of an open top tank. It will be a little noticeable, but i think it will still let in and out the same degree of light into the tank and keep the spacious open feel of the tank either way, what do you think?
 
Glass might reduce the UV light reaching the plants and I know a lot of plastics become brittle when exposed to UV unless they're designed for it, and given that most (all probably) planted aquariums have UV lighting then that might be an issue....

As I said a lot earlier with cats in the house I've got one choice only open (well not) to me... covered as tight as possible.
 
Im really sad readin all this, i wondered how a simple question could cause so much of a debate/argument.
Im new 2 all things fish & come on here 2 get help & advice from whoever has the time & knowledge 2 help me, i would b really nervous (if this was my first look on here) 2 ask any questions after reading all that as it seems 2 get quite personal.
people do what people do and i think thats fine, by the look of the tank on page 1 which is beautiful id say dave was an experienced fish keeper end of!
Now if i had a tank like that id understand the comments & questions! Dont like arguing
 
do you notice how that tank on page 1 doesnt have any fish in it?

well, thats why theres no top! only dead fish don't jump. being an arowana keeper, i emphisize this.

It does have fish. It's got a school of rummy-nose. Another shot of an open-top planted with fish for your benefit. The platies are in plain site.

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I totally expect you to keep a closed tank. I would also keep a closed tank if I had an arowana. Again, it boils down to knowing the behavior of your fish you intend to keep. Platies are surface-dwellers, yes, but I usually keep a supply of floating plants in this tank, which gives these fish a sense of security and actually discourages jumping. It is like having a lid on the tank, a living lid. I sound really corny now, huh? :) I am practicing with competition photos, so the duckweed population was removed for this particular photo-op (it is usually about half-covered with a supply that moves around the tank with the current). As I explained in a previous post, when I'm photographing for competition, I remove the hardware, fill the tank up more, and remove the duckweed.

These are examples of competition photos, notice the extra water and lack of hardware, especially in the second picture. Platies are visible, so open-top planted tanks do have fish in them. :lol:

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Hm, ultimately i can't see how a clear plastic condensation tray or sheet of glass will destroy the look of an open top tank. It will be a little noticeable, but i think it will still let in and out the same degree of light into the tank and keep the spacious open feel of the tank either way, what do you think?

You've made a good point, Tokis, and for my betta tank, a 2.5g planted, I have a clear glass cover, that I tolerate for the safety of my fish. But, I again, I usually remove the cover for photo ops. And bettas, unlike platies are notorious jumpers. It doesn't however, let in as much light, I need to use more. Because I've got some distance between the light source and the water's surface, the glass top (especially when it's not clean) blocks, reflects, and bounces the light up and away, so I actually have to double the light to get the plants to grow well in this situation. This is the quirk of thise particular setup and I can't really change it. My other two closed-top planted tanks also employ a glass cover, but the lights are actually touching the glass, so the chance of reflection is minimized, especially if I keep the tanks filled, which I do.

As I said a lot earlier with cats in the house I've got one choice only open (well not) to me... covered as tight as possible.

I have cats too, and they are accomplished climbers. The only open-top I have is in my bedroom, where the cats don't usually go and if they're there, it is under supervision. Otherwise, the tanks are closed.

I mentioned an arguement earlier for open-tops that I think is the most legitimate reason for keeping open-top tanks and I think it warrants a repeat.

Open-top tanks allow for the better growth of floating plants and it allows for emersed growth. When the tank is covered, there just isn't enough space to allow for this kind of growth. In addition, this is especially the case when the light fixtures touch the glass, the build-up heat near the water's surface can fry floating plants and emersed growth. Open-top tanks eliminate this problem, as there is more space between the water's surface and the light source. Yeah, so what's so fascinating about emersed growth? Emersed growth in stemplants is the growth that will often produce flowers. In addition, many species, including lotus and swords, produce beautiful, large flowers above the water's surface. This would never occur in a closed system, there just isn't enough space. Flowers are just pretty. Finally, an open-top allows the aquarist to explore the possibilities of a paludarium-type aquarium, where hardy epiphites and terrestrial plants grow above the water's surface. You have to of course, pick fish that are suitable for this type of setup.

It is unfortunate that more people with open-topped planted tanks don't explore this lovely aspect of the hobby. There are times when I look at an open-top planted tank with no vegetation at the surface and think "what a waste of space". That's actually how I see the photos above, but that's just me, and it is partly the reason why I recently changed my layout in the tank you see above. I want to encourage more emersed growth. Bacopa produces particularly pretty flowers, a light purple.

As I think I've said quite a few times in this thread, you have to know the habits of the fish you keep. Not everybody keeps the same types of fish nor do they keep the same types of aquariums. Open-top planted tanks aren't better than large, closed-top, minimalist tanks designed to keep predatory fish that can jump, and vis versa. One is also not more humane than the other. They are just two very different aspects of our hobby. Foolish decisions can be made in both types of systems.


llj :)
 
Finally, an open-top allows the aquarist to explore the possibilities of a paludarium-type aquarium, where hardy epiphites and terrestrial plants grow above the water's surface. You have to of course, pick fish that are suitable for this type of setup.

just a comment that you don't have to have an open tank for a paludrium, you can just fill the tank part full. granted you will loose water volume but if your aiming for a paludrium obviously you buy a tank to suit it knowing you won't have the full water volume.

but in general it does give you better opportunities to explore emersed growth, my amazon sword is flowering and it's currently sticking up through a hole in the top of the hood and out above the tank as i can't risk leaving the lid open as oscars are known jumpers, it does look a wee bit daft but at least we can still enjoy the flowers and our peace of mind
 
Finally, an open-top allows the aquarist to explore the possibilities of a paludarium-type aquarium, where hardy epiphites and terrestrial plants grow above the water's surface. You have to of course, pick fish that are suitable for this type of setup.

just a comment that you don't have to have an open tank for a paludrium, you can just fill the tank part full. granted you will loose water volume but if your aiming for a paludrium obviously you buy a tank to suit it knowing you won't have the full water volume.

but in general it does give you better opportunities to explore emersed growth, my amazon sword is flowering and it's currently sticking up through a hole in the top of the hood and out above the tank as i can't risk leaving the lid open as oscars are known jumpers, it does look a wee bit daft but at least we can still enjoy the flowers and our peace of mind

Hee hee. :lol: I can see the image now, Miss Wiggle, it would look funny. You're right, I should have qualified, but I don't like the compromise in water volumn. Again, though, you keep Oscars, another fish in which I would most certainly keep a lid on! This is not so pressing with the fish I keep. But your tank defies typical guidelines at another point. You keep a planted tank with Oscars, which is not usually done, yet you've had success. :good:

llj :)
 
just personal choice isn't it. i've seen some beautiful big tanks done as paladriums really with very little water in, and it can look beautiful. but it goes back to what you priorities as a fishkeeper are, i know for you that fish and plenty of them come high up on your list so obviously compromising the water volume compromises one of your main objectives. all personal preference.

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absolutely, it does wind me up sometimes when people try to enforce 'rules' with fishkeeping, when your dealing with living animals there is always room for variation, take something like a platy, one of the most peaceful fish you can imagine, but i'll bet there's someone on this forum whose had a mean one once. fish have their own personalities and characters and will react differently in certain situations. you can't say for definite that any one fish will or won't do something. try something new or different, with careful research calculated risk taking is fine IMO, just always have a plan B and you'll be fine. :good:

and i keep oscars tank covered not because they as a species are known jumpers but because he is. when he's hungry he jumps out of the water and bangs his head on the tank lid to get my attention, and i almost lost him when he was younger as i had a plastic condensation tray inside the hood of his old tank, there was a gap at one end and one day he somehow opened up the gap and got on top of the tray, found him when i came home from work laying on the tray, thankfully his weight had pulled it 1/2mm under the water and i think that kept him alive. so i don't take risks with him.

but our marine tank has a very well ventilated lid that fish could escape from if they jumped in just the right direction and Ian's tank's open topped, although with light fixtures across the top there's only a few places fish could escape. i don't judge one fish's behavior because of another.
 
Reading all these posts has reminded me of something I was told by my trusted (and VERY experienced) LFS boss when starting my first tank: ''When it comes to fish behaviour, there are NO hard and fast rules. Fish don't read books''.
 
Reading all these posts has reminded me of something I was told by my trusted (and VERY experienced) LFS boss when starting my first tank: ''When it comes to fish behaviour, there are NO hard and fast rules. Fish don't read books''.

Not true, Alberich (a betta) is working on the complete works of Shakespeare. My Brochis, however, prefer Jackie Collins. Something to do when they go to the bathroom. :lol:

Sorry, couldn't resist, but you are absolutely right. There are no hard rules in this hobby.

llj
 
Reading all these posts has reminded me of something I was told by my trusted (and VERY experienced) LFS boss when starting my first tank: ''When it comes to fish behaviour, there are NO hard and fast rules. Fish don't read books''.

Very Very true.
 

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