about 8 inches in a 5 footer but dont lknow what he was but we named him nast bast**d lol we also had some like 16-17 very old common plecs but there wernt nasty and again i had a 12 inch fish not sure on the name but he was big black and massive lips so we called him mc jagger they where it had silver dollers and all sorts it was way waay way overfiltered to support them all but it had a lot of monsters in it WAS two foot tall by two foot wide and five foot long it was based on a african lake