Water Changing Conditioning

[Curiosity101]

Ah! Fair enough. Stand corrected.

I would still like to see scientific evidence to back it up, but as said previously, until that's available I guess the extra cost per change is worth it. Particularly with seachem prime.

 

[waterdrop]

That's pretty interesting! It implies that when Prime (and I assume other multi-purpose conditioners) components perform some sort of binding move on organics then they are rendered incapable of also performing the dechlorination/dechloramination move as an additional step. If that's true it would then make us think about other situations where the chlorine/chloramine function might be impaired due to excess organics etc. This also adds support to the 1.5x, 2x dosing notion, I'd venture.

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[coldcazzie]

That's pretty interesting! It implies that when Prime (and I assume other multi-purpose conditioners) components perform some sort of binding move on organics then they are rendered incapable of also performing the dechlorination/dechloramination move as an additional step. If that's true it would then make us think about other situations where the chlorine/chloramine function might be impaired due to excess organics etc. This also adds support to the 1.5x, 2x dosing notion, I'd venture.

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You mean in cases of OTS?

 

[Tolak]

Another facet to consider is the disinfectants being used up by the same organics. This is the reason chlorine is increased beyond what is found in tap water when used in swimming pools. This would lead one to think that the chlorine/chloramine is used up disinfecting the organics the same as Prime might be. If the ratio of consumption is 1:1 great, if there is an imbalance there is a potential for a problem.

Sounds like another question for the Seachem Tech Department!

 

[waterdrop]

That's pretty interesting! It implies that when Prime (and I assume other multi-purpose conditioners) components perform some sort of binding move on organics then they are rendered incapable of also performing the dechlorination/dechloramination move as an additional step. If that's true it would then make us think about other situations where the chlorine/chloramine function might be impaired due to excess organics etc. This also adds support to the 1.5x, 2x dosing notion, I'd venture.

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You mean in cases of OTS?

Well, first of all, I'm not sure I wrote that as clearly as I should have. I was thinking on a molecule by molecule basis, as in a molecule of Prime being able to do one or the other of binding HMetals/Organics or doing the "dechlor" function but not both (just speaking hypothetically, since I have not idea how many different types of molecules Prime has or how many of them are needed to what of course.. so just the simplistic idea, not the actual chemistry.)

And yes, of course tanks suffering from OTS are candidates for plenty of organics, but of course healthy mature tanks also have plenty of them too, we just don't measure them, so we have little idea of the organics picture of any given tank at any given age would be my guess. Its quite interesting, it could even be that this is one of the more overlooked possible unknowns in the variability in cycling times that we see, but who knows.

And I agree Tolak, interesting thoughts and more possible questions for the Seachem guys. I've chatted with the young chemist fellow who's president, I believe, of that company (at least one of the sons, who's gone back for more chemistry education and is very involved in the company.) He spoke at one of the society meetings I attended. He was a nice guy and brought a number of staff with him. I'm sure that means the company is open to them taking various tech questions if you can get through to them.

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[coldcazzie]

Yeh I see what you're saying...

Either way, I have a bottle of Prime en route to me as we speak for the very reason of dosing for the whole tank and not being able to afford to buy stress coat for that purpose (35ml every water change = ouch!)

If someone does get around to asking I'd be very interested in the answers...

 

[alphauk101]

cool thanx guys youve helped with my querie thnx for the througher input