Too Many?

[Bredmaker]

Hello folks,

Could you tell me if you think this is too much in my juwel lido 120L tank?

1 male betta
1 male swordtail
1 female swordtail
4 male guppies
8 neon tetra
1 killifish
3 khulil loach?


3 cherry shrimp and 4 freshwater shrimp

Thanks

 

[BigbruiserAl]

That betta life will be hell rehome him is my advise

 

[Bredmaker]

Really? Why is that? I need the advice

He gets on with the fish and seems to act normal and eating well.

Just too busy for him?

Thanks for reply

 

[Duz]

120liters is roughly 31.7 US gallons. Depending on how mature your tank is depends on how many fish you can, usually for a new tank (under 6 months old) you can have roughly 1" of fish per a gallon. As the tank starts to mature you can increase this to 1.5" per a gallon and in a fully mature tank you can go up to 2" per a gallon so long as you know how to get the best out of your filter. You have roughly 38" of fish in your tank, so your tank can support more fish if you wish to get any more. However, saying this it is only a rough guide and shouldn't be stuck to completely as it doesn't always hold true.

Just a quick question, does your betta not attack your guppies? I was always told not to keep a betta with guppies as the betta may see them as a threat (with their colourful tails) and that they may try to attack them.

 

[BigbruiserAl]

Sorry my post was not helpfull, the betta are lovely fish but he will more then likely get his long flowing fins nipped at and get stressed. The betta in their very nature are aggresive fish and may nip the guppies and swords. On the whole might lead to a unhappy tank in general. All the other fish i have kept my self in the same tank without bother

 

[Bredmaker]

120liters is roughly 31.7 US gallons. Depending on how mature your tank is depends on how many fish you can, usually for a new tank (under 6 months old) you can have roughly 1" of fish per a gallon. As the tank starts to mature you can increase this to 1.5" per a gallon and in a fully mature tank you can go up to 2" per a gallon so long as you know how to get the best out of your filter. You have roughly 38" of fish in your tank, so your tank can support more fish if you wish to get any more. However, saying this it is only a rough guide and shouldn't be stuck to completely as it doesn't always hold true.

Just a quick question, does your betta not attack your guppies? I was always told not to keep a betta with guppies as the betta may see them as a threat (with their colourful tails) and that they may try to attack them.

Thanks for the info duz. I wasn't sure if that applied to uk or us gallons.

My betta is really peaceful with the guppies. They are frequently closish and relaxed. The only time I see him flare up us at the kilifish but I think that's just him showing who
's the daddy!

I might be wrong they might bicker but I'm unaware of anything going on. I watch them lots.

Is that the common opinion that they shouldn't go then?

Cheers

Sorry my post was not helpfull, the betta are lovely fish but he will more then likely get his long flowing fins nipped at and get stressed. The betta in their very nature are aggresive fish and may nip the guppies and swords. On the whole might lead to a unhappy tank in general. All the other fish i have kept my self in the same tank without bother

Thanks bruiser.

Should I rehome him on his own? What size tank would you advise for maximum comfort?

 

[James9114]

If you read my sig thats what i have in my tank and my filter copes fine, i am planning on getting rid of the glass catfish though as i never see them, it doesn't always depend on the size of the fish, its what kind of fish you have as i.e the kuhli loaches give off very little bioload and shrimp next to none. Obviously im right on my limit so i make sure i do 40% water changes weekly. My tank has been running about 9 months now.

 

[Bredmaker]

Cheers james. Yea it certainly doesn't look crowded and it's nicely planted etc. Was just checking and good to get other people's opinion. Your tank looks great btw

One thing though I have only been doing 20% change a week. I might pop it up to 40 as it's on limit too

 

[KittyKat]

The stocking is not too much, but it is poor.

1 male betta - ok if he isn't being nipped, probability of nipping is high though, if you do not already have him
1m 1f swordtail - need to be kept in groups with more females, otherwise the male will stress the female to death or she will turn around and kill him, eventually
4 male guppies - will add to the stress of the female swordtail because there are no female guppies around for them to bother
8 neon tetra - ok, would benefit from an even larger group
1 killifish - possibly ok, depends on species, can make poor community fish
3 khulil loach - should be kept in a much larger group

..and of course there is the point that livebearers do best in hard, alkaline water, while tetras should have soft, acidic water.

 

[Bredmaker]

The stocking is not too much, but it is poor.

1 male betta - ok if he isn't being nipped, probability of nipping is high though, if you do not already have him
1m 1f swordtail - need to be kept in groups with more females, otherwise the male will stress the female to death or she will turn around and kill him, eventually
4 male guppies - will add to the stress of the female swordtail because there are no female guppies around for them to bother
8 neon tetra - ok, would benefit from an even larger group
1 killifish - possibly ok, depends on species, can make poor community fish
3 khulil loach - should be kept in a much larger group

..and of course there is the point that livebearers do best in hard, alkaline water, while tetras should have soft, acidic water.

The guppies do not bother the swordtails.

Also advised that 3 khuli loach was a good number.

May I ask what you would do in this case?

Thanks

 

[KittyKat]

I would find the swordtails a new home (because I think they should have a 3+ ft tank), then I would find out what my water parameters are (ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, hardness, temperature).

Assuming those parameters are favourable, I would get another 3 khulis and a couple of tetras, then leave it at that and decide if I should get more of the same going by the look of the tank a month down the line, and the ammonia and nitrite readings. In the meantime, I would add some bogwood and work on the plants, maybe switching to sand (if I didn't have sand already).

 

[Bredmaker]

The swordtail male doesnt bother her too much but thanks for the advice it's taken on board with all the helpful tips I have received today.

All parameters are good. Just tested. Also just bought some bogwood.

The betta has a wee cotton fuzzy thing on the very tip of a damaged fin. Should I isolate him? Crowntail.

Thanks

 

[marieukxx]

The fuzzy thing is fungal infection. He probably had his fins nipped and now he has fungal infection there. Keep up with water changes first to see if it improves if not there is stuff you can buy to clear it up.

 

[Bredmaker]

The fuzzy thing is fungal infection. He probably had his fins nipped and now he has fungal infection there. Keep up with water changes first to see if it improves if not there is stuff you can buy to clear it up.

thanks for reply. I will do the water changes first cheers. Seems better than chucking in med straight away.

Whats your opinion on isolating him from the rest of hte community?

ta

 

[BigbruiserAl]

The fact that his fins have been nipped speaks for itself IMO. If you have a spare tank for him i would use it. If not i would maybe trade him in at a LFS just for the fish health more then anything