Time It Takes To Heat Water?

[Tropical_Noobie]

Hi all,

Dose anyone have rough any idear how long it takes to heat 45 litres of water in a plastic bucket using a 50 Watt heater?
As I am thinking of doing a water change sometime soon and want to replace the water with water at the same temperature so it dose not interfere with my fishless cycle.

Thanks for looking

Clint.

 

[doresy]

Hi all,

Dose anyone have rough any idear how long it takes to heat 45 litres of water in a plastic bucket using a 50 Watt heater?
As I am thinking of doing a water change sometime soon and want to replace the water with water at the same temperature so it dose not interfere with my fishless cycle.

Thanks for looking

Clint.

Just put cold water in the bucket then boil a kettle and add until the temperature is right. Personally I go by feel and mix hot and cold right from the tap. Some here will say thats wrong due to copper etc. Again, personally I reckon that's a load of bull especially as you should be using a dechlorinater that will also take out metals. Been doing it for years without a problem

*edit* I see that you are worried about the slight fluctuation of temperature effecting your fishless cycle A) it wont and B)why are you waterchanging during a fishless cycle?

 

[chrisbassist]

Aside from the fact you don't need to do a waterchange, and the temp won't do too much except slow down bacteria for an hour, in fact doing a water change at all could be more damaging since there will be fresh water with no ammonia... Aside from all that it depends on the water temp, the room temp, etc.

 

[Tropical_Noobie]

Aside from the fact you don't need to do a waterchange, and the temp won't do too much except slow down bacteria for an hour, in fact doing a water change at all could be more damaging since there will be fresh water with no ammonia... Aside from all that it depends on the water temp, the room temp, etc.

Thanks doresy that dose make sence! *Edit* Please look at the My link at bottom.

Hi Chris,

I have been having a chat with rdd1952 and he said that it could be beneficial depending on what your nitrite readings are!
Quote: As you know, when ammonia is broken down, it becomes nitrite. It isn't a straight 1ppm of ammonia becomes 1ppm of nitrite though. Actually, 1ppm of ammonia becomes approximately 2.7ppm of nitrite so when you add 5ppm of ammonia, you are in essence adding 13.5ppm of nitrite.

So after you have added 5ppm of ammonia for 10 day, you have actually added 50ppm of ammonia but 135ppm of nitrite. That is a huge amount for the bacteria to break down. Some times, it's good to do a big water change and reduce that number back to near 0 so it can speed the process.

Also you might like to look at this link below? It dose refer to the fishincycle but dose mention it can benefit fishless cycles

My link

 

[Ryefish]

what are your nitrite readings?

 

[Tropical_Noobie]

what are your nitrite readings?

Off the scale Ryefish only 10 days into a fishless cycle

Clint.

 

[Ryefish]

to be honest, a water change will probably dilute your nitrites down today but tomorrow they will be off the scale again

 

[Tropical_Noobie]

to be honest, a water change will probably dilute your nitrites down today but tomorrow they will be off the scale again

Oh I see & thanks for your reply Ryefish.
As you have no doubt noticed I am new to kepping fish,cycling etc and was just wondering if there was a way of shortening the cycle anyway possible.

Clint.

 

[minxfishy]

As dorsey, I use hot water straight from the tap, never had a problem, dont forget to dechlorinate it. And yes, it can in some cases to be beneficial to do a water change in a fishless cycle, as you know with very high nitrItes or if you have a ph crash, it wont effect the cycle, so long as you remember to re-dose the ammonia to the amount you need to keep it at 5ppm (or whatever ppm you are dosing to).

 

[Tropical_Noobie]

As dorsey, I use hot water straight from the tap, never had a problem, dont forget to dechlorinate it. And yes, it can in some cases to be beneficial to do a water change in a fishless cycle, as you know with very high nitrItes or if you have a ph crash, it wont effect the cycle, so long as you remember to re-dose the ammonia to the amount you need to keep it at 5ppm (or whatever ppm you are dosing to).

Thanks minxfishy

Looks like I have stired up a good discussion here then!

Clint.

Ps. I wont forget to dechlorinate it

 

[chrisbassist]

If you are only 10 days in, you haven't been adding 5ppm every day have you? Since it will probably only have processed the original 5 by now. And having ammonia at a level much higher will slow things down. Since you'll have the wrong bacteria forming. I've not heard or read anything about nitrite levels slowing things down. Not til towards the end where you are just clearing the backlog so it only has to cope with what is being produced.

 

[Tropical_Noobie]

If you are only 10 days in, you haven't been adding 5ppm every day have you? Since it will probably only have processed the original 5 by now. And having ammonia at a level much higher will slow things down. Since you'll have the wrong bacteria forming. I've not heard or read anything about nitrite levels slowing things down. Not til towards the end where you are just clearing the backlog so it only has to cope with what is being produced.

Have you looked at my post lately Chris?

I have been adding 5 ppm a day up untill yesterday where I dropped down to 3 ppm as recommended by someone else!

I am reciving a lot of conflicting replys as you would have seen.

Did you look at the my link as I mentioned?

Clint.

 

[ian]

have you thought about some mature media from someone?

 

[Tropical_Noobie]

have you thought about some mature media from someone?

Hi ianho,

Yes I have (as stated in my post) & thanks for the advice!

I am having some donated from a five year old tank that is being broken up! I will be collecting in less than a week Fingers crossed.

Clint.

 

[chrisbassist]

I read that link but if you notice in a sentence right near the start, he was talking about fish in cycling, not fishless.

The time to do a waterchange is when you think it's clearing the amount produced during a day, but you aren't seeing zero because of the backlog.