So Overnight I Became A Father?

[Curiosity101]

http/cgi.ebay.co.uk/18in-x-12in-x-15in-approx-Glass-Fish-Tank-/220647083690?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_Pet_Supplies_Fish&hash=item335f974eaa
This is slightly bigger than you want and is just a tank...

http/cgi.ebay.co.uk/Aquarium-Aqua-30-light-/150475082712?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_Pet_Supplies_Fish&hash=item2309038bd8
I'm not 100% on size, but with there being so much stuff included it's probably going to work out a good deal. And they've listed as an aqua 30 which implies 30l however I'd ask for some dimensions.

Can i get away with a 35L with a thin layer of substrate?

I have seen some nice 35's

35l would be fine. It's one of those things... you could have up to 40 odd fry in there if all your females decided to drop around the same time, and each one needs to grow to around and inch before you can move them on.
So long as you are willing to do any extra water changes neccesary to keep nitrates down n such then you'll be fine whilever your filter can cope.

I wish you wouldn't dismiss my advice

And I'm sure we all wish you'd stop moaning.

 

[BethK]

curiosity, that is a bit off hand, seeing as you do not know the reason to why i have said that but i am sure j wants to keep that quiet

i have been trying to help to

 

[BethK]

try gumtree aqua 320

 

[LondonguyJ]

But I haven't been ignoring you. Page 2 and on this page (3)?

I have said thanks and interacted with you as I have everyone else, normally. So please can we just stick to the topic?


I have seen a nice arcadia 35L but if I get this I'm going to need advice on the right type of heater as it isn't supplied.

 

[Curiosity101]

For the heater it's normally 3-5watt per gallon. 35l = 9.2gal so I would suggest a 50Watt heater.

Nice choice on the Arc by the way , they're lovely tanks. I almost got one for my apistos.

 

[BethK]

for a 35ltr, you'd be best off with a 50w heater

50w heater

50w heater

50w heater

found a mini 50w heater here

another compact mini heater

trixie 50w heater

depends on what you're willing to spend but this one seems good

 

[LondonguyJ]

For the heater it's normally 3-5watt per gallon. 35l = 9.2gal so I would suggest a 50Watt heater.

Nice choice on the Arc by the way , they're lovely tanks. I almost got one for my apistos.

Arcadia it is then. I'm going to be back soon enough asking how best to source some of my mature media to it? I think the have an underground filter but I'm not entirely sure.

A few other questions...

Will shrimp eat the fry? I have seen two (have caught 13) and they seem to be in places that only my shrimp could access. I have 2 ammano 2 bumble 2 crystal red and one cherry?

Is it ok to continue with the light cycle while the fry are in the nursery net thing lol

Cheers a bunch to everyone for helping by the way

 

[Curiosity101]

The filter is an internal power filter, so no worrys there. Just open up your external (sorry but it has to be done at some point!), and either take some biomax noodles (or whatever it has in it) and pop those into the arcs filter (after you've filled the tank and let it run with de-chlorinator in it for awhile (say 10mins or so).

Or... take a handful of biomax and 'wash' the in the new tank, do the same for the filter pads from your external aswell. This should be enough to seed it, then once it's running up to temperature pop your fry in and keep an eye on water stats.

None of your shrimp will eat fry

And yes, carry on as usual with the tank. But as they're so close to the light I'd give them some floating plant cover if possible... even if you don't have any floating plants if you have anything that will float if left to it's own devices (cabomba springs to mind) then stick some in with them so they can get out of the main glare.

 

[BethK]

wouldn't put amanos in with small fry, cherries will be fine. undergravel filters aren't too good btw, for fry

transfer mature tank water to the new tank, cut some of the mature media and place in new filter. the tank will need to stand a while, as it may well hit a mini cycle.

 

[Curiosity101]

wouldn't put amanos in with small fry, cherries will be fine. undergravel filters aren't too good btw, for fry

transfer mature tank water to the new tank, cut some of the mature media and place in new filter. the tank will need to stand a while, as it may well hit a mini cycle.

Amanos are fine with small fry

It's not an undergravel as mentioned

Mature tank water doesn't exist...fresh water will be fine (unless the tank main tank is due a water change anyways )

The tank also doesn't need to stand, it wont undergo a 'mini cycle' if there is nothing in it. Mini cycles only exist in previously cycled tanks, it is caused by a large amount of die off of the filter bacs so they can no longer cope with the current bioload of fish.
However it may well not have enough bacs to begin with to cope with the fry, but I would imagine it'll catch up quickly and so should hopefully only need monitoring.

 

[BethK]

There are two distinctly different water conditions, fresh (new) water or mature (old) water........mature water has a balance bacteria amount.

and yes, a new tank, switching over from an old can cause a spike, all well and good with switching over mature media but you will need to let that media run in new water, for it to establish.

If a fry is small enough and not nippy enough to get away, a grown amano shrimp will take it.

 

[Curiosity101]

There are two distinctly different water conditions, fresh (new) water or mature (old) water........mature water has a balance bacteria amount.

and yes, a new tank, switching over from an old can cause a spike, all well and good with switching over mature media but you will need to let that media run in new water, for it to establish.

If a fry is small enough and not nippy enough to get away, a grown amano shrimp will take it.

Bacteria in a filtered cycled tank live in the filter. End of story. Mature water doesn't exist. As soon as it's been dechlored, your 'mature' water is no different to the water sat in the bucket (with the possible exception of the level of dissolved CO2 of course).

You don't need to let the media run in a new tank for it to 'establish'. This is absolute nonsense. And I don't care if this is something you want to believe yourself... but I can't just sit back and let you try and teach someone that what you're saying is correct.

By your theory my apistos would be dead right about now. Cause I seeded their filter from filter squeezing from my main tank, cycled it in 5litres of dechlored tap water for 4 days and then moved it... with no 'mature' water in their new tank which was filled with fresh dechlored water straight from the tap.
I experience no spikes what so ever because... and let me stress this again. The bacteria are in the filter, I had built up a sufficient amount and therefore... no problems.

And again...amano shrimp don't eat fry. Perhaps you're getting confused with them eating fish that have already died?

 

[LondonguyJ]

There are two distinctly different water conditions, fresh (new) water or mature (old) water........mature water has a balance bacteria amount.

Let me first make clear that I appreciate your input!

But what your saying is wrong the vast majority of the bacteria live in the filter and feed from the substances in the water that pass through the filter. I too don't understand the "mature water" because I thought the purpose of cycling was to keep your water "fresh."

 

[BethK]

never said anything about fish dying but you're ready and willing to let someone chance fry in a new set up, without it being properly established? bacteria also lives in water, not just filter media. 'mature water' is not just my belief, many others too.

and yes amano shrimp may take a small fry out, if it can catch it, i wouldn't risk a 2" shrimp that could possibly snack on fry, lose in a fry tank.

no offense but i've done 3 diff tank changes,all with mature media, stats were all fine, the tank i didn't transfer used water to, was my 125ltr and added fish without letting it settle...........guess where i'm going with this.

why do you think breeders etc leave their breeding tanks a few days running, before adding fish?

anyway, your tank, your decision, apparently i have no clue

 

[LondonguyJ]

What someone believes is neither here nor there

This is an issue of science. Science which states that if my levels are correct then I can add fish and fry which are suited to a freshwater aquarium.

Mature water seems to be a construct of some sort?

By my count I have 13 unidentified fry and when I get the aquarium I'll create another thread where you can follow the progress of fry in an "unmatured" fresh water set up if you want.