Should I Kill My Cichlids And Catfish? (Please Read)

Should They Be Killed Or Should I Let Them Live And See What Happens?


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Hello,

Firstly, about style, then I'll get to your particular dilemma. Yes, using capital letters in their traditional places matters. As does using a spell check if for some reason you aren't confident about the quality of your written English. Why? Because there's a relationship between how a question is asked and the quality of the reply you'll get. Writing proper English is the single best way there is to show respect when communicating via text. It says to the reader that you care about them, and that you want to make your writing as clear as possible so that there's little scope for misunderstanding. Writing in text speak or making up your own grammar and spellings sends the opposite message. It says to the reader that you don't care about them, and that you're a selfish person who abides by your own standards and not those of society around you. The end result will be fewer people will bother to reply, and those that will may be more hostile or critical than otherwise.

Anyway, as for your situation. Of course you do not need to kill your fish. Indeed, you shouldn't even consider doing so unless you understand how to euthanise fish humanely. Flushing them down the loo or sticking them in the freezer aren't humane, and even putting aside any bad karma you'll accumulate by doing this, treating animal deaths casually is a slippery slope that can lead to bad character traits more generally. As others have suggested, you can announce your "yard sale" of fish on this bulletin board or elsewhere, and hopefully folks will be able to help you out. Alternatively, call the pet store, explain the situation, and return the fish as soon as practical. In the very short term, daily water changes of 25% should avoid any fatalities, but this isn't a long-term solution.

Now, was this situation the retailer's fault? Yes and no. Yes, retailers should be obliged to provide good information. But they are, after all, retailers, and even the best can't know everything about every species of fish they sell. You wouldn't buy a car from a retailer based on his or her recommendation, and you wouldn't buy clothes based on the opinion of the retailer rather than your own. Personal judgement is always a part of any retail transaction. In this situation, by all means go shopping for fish, but either research some good species beforehand, so you can pick up the exact fish you want, or else buy (or borrow) a good aquarium fish encyclopaedia, and use that while you're shopping to check the basic facts such as size, temperament, water chemistry requirements and so on. For some reason teenagers today are terrified of books, but trust me, books are our friends, and they are remarkably easy to use. Simply open the covers, turn to the index, look up the species you see in the tank before you, and read the words of wisdom provided. If the facts presented mean the fish should work in your aquarium, then you can buy the fish with confidence. If the facts suggest problems, then you can avoid disappointment and unwanted expense by leaving the fish in the pet store. What could be simpler? Once you get the hang of reading books, you'll wonder how you lived without them. (Yes, I am being sarcastic here, and I'd like to think you read books anyway, but my point stands: an aquarium book is your friend while shopping.)

What you've done is learned a lesson most of us experienced hobbyists have learned at some point: ignorance is expensive. There's a reason we read, why we go to school, why we get college degrees. The more you know, the better your life becomes. This applies to everything from keeping pets through to getting a job. Spend more time reading about your fish, and then when the time comes to go shopping, you'll be able to craft a great collection of pet fish ideally suited to the tank you have.

Cheers, Neale

Oh, and PS. The pet store can't be 75 miles away. If it takes 30 minutes to get there, and it's 75 miles away, then you must be travelling at 150 miles per hour, which seems unlikely.

I Live In A Small Suburb There Are No Buses No Taxis And The Shop I Bought The Fish From Must Be 75 Miles Away. It Takes Like Half An Hour To Drive There.
Next Time Think Before Your Ignorant.

Thanks For The FISH Advice Neale But As For Everything Else I Dont Need A Life Lesson I Thank You For Telling Me But I Dont Need It. I Read Books ALL The Time And Am Currently Reading Pride And Prejudice Which Should Show You Something. I Plan To Got To College Get A Masters In Buisness. As Fot The Caps I Dont Do It Cuz I WanT To I Dont It Because Its A Habit That Is Hard To Break I Automatically Press The Shift Key Without Giving It Thought. Its Hard Too Stop And Believe Me Im Trying to Stop. PEOPLE THIS IS A POST ABOUT FISH NOT THE WAY I TYPE OR HOW I SHOULD LIVE MY LIFE
 
Yes i was rude to you, however only after what you said about me not reading what you have put, bla bla..

I don't take lightly anymore to folk being rude to me, so yes i flew of the handle....

Granted and for that iam sorry, however i did not in anyway say anything rude in my first post...go read again, you will

see............But if you read the reply<as you told me i should> then you will see i was merely asking where you lived

etc as iam on the mature donor list, along with alot of members here
 
Just seems a lot of threads lately titled, shall i kill my fish :blink:

Can you not take them back to the fish shop? if no go to the shop,ask for some mature filter media and seed your filter,

where are you located within the world?
i don't see anyhing wrong with this,nelly is giving you advice,I don't know why you took offence to this post but I can assure you that none of us meen you any offence (well maybe pipe dream :rolleyes: )

"Where Do You Live In The World?" Im Sorry I Take Offence To People When They Use Sarcasm Against Me
 
he was only asking so he or someone else could give you mature filter media to help save your fish
 
sarcasm? oh my god mate this here is the world, and its an international forum, we have members like me in the uk, members

from canada/ usa/ south america/ south africa/ australia/ suadi arabi/ india etc... So to me that is as a whole, the

world....so i shall now bow away from this pointless convasation....
 
Just seems a lot of threads lately titled, shall i kill my fish :blink:

Can you not take them back to the fish shop? if no go to the shop,ask for some mature filter media and seed your filter,

where are you located within the world?
i don't see anyhing wrong with this,nelly is giving you advice,I don't know why you took offence to this post but I can assure you that none of us meen you any offence (well maybe pipe dream :rolleyes: )

"Where Do You Live In The World?" Im Sorry I Take Offence To People When They Use Sarcasm Against Me
Huh he's asking were you live bro maybe a member of this forum live close to you that would be able to take the fish or give you some mature filter media
 
Criminy, you're missing the point completely! You can't separate life into distinctive segments. Everything about life is intertwined. If you don't learn this now, then your life experiences will certainly beat it into you the hard way. If you're going to go into business, one of the very first things you'll learn is that presentation is everything. There's nothing special about Coca Cola; it's just sugar and water. But it is presented in such a way people spend money on buying something they don't need. Same thing with communication. When you're writing to a client or a supplier, those people will judge you not just on what you say, but how you say it. So wake up, smell the coffee, and realise that this is a painless lesson in good manners that will stand you in extremely good stead.

I flatter myself I know a bit about freshwater fishkeeping, which is why I write for various magazines and sites. When I come to this forum, I rarely do so to *get* advice, but rather to *share* experiences with others, and so help them to avoid my mistakes. I'm a hundred times more likely to join a thread that is thoughtful and well-written than one that is full of ignorance and badly written English. I'm happy to ignore people who can't be bothered to be nice and polite. It's no skin off my nose. But you'll get much more useful information from me and people like me by abiding by the rules of this particular type of social interaction.

Cheers, Neale

Thanks For The FISH Advice Neale But As For Everything Else I Dont Need A Life Lesson I Thank You For Telling Me But I Dont Need It. I Read Books ALL The Time And Am Currently Reading Pride And Prejudice Which Should Show You Something. I Plan To Got To College Get A Masters In Buisness. As Fot The Caps I Dont Do It Cuz I WanT To I Dont It Because Its A Habit That Is Hard To Break I Automatically Press The Shift Key Without Giving It Thought. Its Hard Too Stop And Believe Me Im Trying to Stop. PEOPLE THIS IS A POST ABOUT FISH NOT THE WAY I TYPE OR HOW I SHOULD LIVE MY LIFE
 
he was only asking so he or someone else could give you mature filter media to help save your fish

Well I Might Think That He Is Being Rude When He Uses A Commonly Used Sarcastic Statement As Serious One. I Thought He Was Being Sarcastic And Took Offence. Im Sorry If I Misunderstood You Nelly. (Im Trying To Say This As Nicely As Possible And Suggestively) Maybe If You Use A Sentence That Might Be Misunderstood You Could Clear It Up Before Anything Even Happens By Saying HOW You Mean It.

Now Can People Please Get Back To Suggesting Ways To Save My Swordtail And Rid Of The Cichlids And Catfish
 
Hello,

Firstly, about style, then I'll get to your particular dilemma. Yes, using capital letters in their traditional places matters. As does using a spell check if for some reason you aren't confident about the quality of your written English. Why? Because there's a relationship between how a question is asked and the quality of the reply you'll get. Writing proper English is the single best way there is to show respect when communicating via text. It says to the reader that you care about them, and that you want to make your writing as clear as possible so that there's little scope for misunderstanding. Writing in text speak or making up your own grammar and spellings sends the opposite message. It says to the reader that you don't care about them, and that you're a selfish person who abides by your own standards and not those of society around you. The end result will be fewer people will bother to reply, and those that will may be more hostile or critical than otherwise.

Anyway, as for your situation. Of course you do not need to kill your fish. Indeed, you shouldn't even consider doing so unless you understand how to euthanise fish humanely. Flushing them down the loo or sticking them in the freezer aren't humane, and even putting aside any bad karma you'll accumulate by doing this, treating animal deaths casually is a slippery slope that can lead to bad character traits more generally. As others have suggested, you can announce your "yard sale" of fish on this bulletin board or elsewhere, and hopefully folks will be able to help you out. Alternatively, call the pet store, explain the situation, and return the fish as soon as practical. In the very short term, daily water changes of 25% should avoid any fatalities, but this isn't a long-term solution.

Now, was this situation the retailer's fault? Yes and no. Yes, retailers should be obliged to provide good information. But they are, after all, retailers, and even the best can't know everything about every species of fish they sell. You wouldn't buy a car from a retailer based on his or her recommendation, and you wouldn't buy clothes based on the opinion of the retailer rather than your own. Personal judgement is always a part of any retail transaction. In this situation, by all means go shopping for fish, but either research some good species beforehand, so you can pick up the exact fish you want, or else buy (or borrow) a good aquarium fish encyclopaedia, and use that while you're shopping to check the basic facts such as size, temperament, water chemistry requirements and so on. For some reason teenagers today are terrified of books, but trust me, books are our friends, and they are remarkably easy to use. Simply open the covers, turn to the index, look up the species you see in the tank before you, and read the words of wisdom provided. If the facts presented mean the fish should work in your aquarium, then you can buy the fish with confidence. If the facts suggest problems, then you can avoid disappointment and unwanted expense by leaving the fish in the pet store. What could be simpler? Once you get the hang of reading books, you'll wonder how you lived without them. (Yes, I am being sarcastic here, and I'd like to think you read books anyway, but my point stands: an aquarium book is your friend while shopping.)

What you've done is learned a lesson most of us experienced hobbyists have learned at some point: ignorance is expensive. There's a reason we read, why we go to school, why we get college degrees. The more you know, the better your life becomes. This applies to everything from keeping pets through to getting a job. Spend more time reading about your fish, and then when the time comes to go shopping, you'll be able to craft a great collection of pet fish ideally suited to the tank you have.

Cheers, Neale

Oh, and PS. The pet store can't be 75 miles away. If it takes 30 minutes to get there, and it's 75 miles away, then you must be travelling at 150 miles per hour, which seems unlikely.

I Live In A Small Suburb There Are No Buses No Taxis And The Shop I Bought The Fish From Must Be 75 Miles Away. It Takes Like Half An Hour To Drive There.
Next Time Think Before Your Ignorant.

Thanks For The FISH Advice Neale But As For Everything Else I Dont Need A Life Lesson I Thank You For Telling Me But I Dont Need It. I Read Books ALL The Time And Am Currently Reading Pride And Prejudice Which Should Show You Something. I Plan To Got To College Get A Masters In Buisness. As Fot The Caps I Dont Do It Cuz I WanT To I Dont It Because Its A Habit That Is Hard To Break I Automatically Press The Shift Key Without Giving It Thought. Its Hard Too Stop And Believe Me Im Trying to Stop. PEOPLE THIS IS A POST ABOUT FISH NOT THE WAY I TYPE OR HOW I SHOULD LIVE MY LIFE

dude,
take the advice or leave the advice. all very good advice mind you. instead of sitting around defending yourself, why not go do those waterchanges and help those FISH! in the meantime this whole thing will blow over, but not while you are bringing it up. and as far as rudeness and sarcasm go, it is often impossible to pick up tone and intent while reading text, so interpretation is opened to the reader. i honestly didnt read into any rudeness or sarcasm with the exception of Pipe Dream. why not go do those waterchanges!
cheers
just a thought.
 
first off,could you answer nelly's question because if you live near one of us we can take some of the fish off youre hands,and give you some mmature media
 
Hello,

Firstly, about style, then I'll get to your particular dilemma. Yes, using capital letters in their traditional places matters. As does using a spell check if for some reason you aren't confident about the quality of your written English. Why? Because there's a relationship between how a question is asked and the quality of the reply you'll get. Writing proper English is the single best way there is to show respect when communicating via text. It says to the reader that you care about them, and that you want to make your writing as clear as possible so that there's little scope for misunderstanding. Writing in text speak or making up your own grammar and spellings sends the opposite message. It says to the reader that you don't care about them, and that you're a selfish person who abides by your own standards and not those of society around you. The end result will be fewer people will bother to reply, and those that will may be more hostile or critical than otherwise.

Anyway, as for your situation. Of course you do not need to kill your fish. Indeed, you shouldn't even consider doing so unless you understand how to euthanise fish humanely. Flushing them down the loo or sticking them in the freezer aren't humane, and even putting aside any bad karma you'll accumulate by doing this, treating animal deaths casually is a slippery slope that can lead to bad character traits more generally. As others have suggested, you can announce your "yard sale" of fish on this bulletin board or elsewhere, and hopefully folks will be able to help you out. Alternatively, call the pet store, explain the situation, and return the fish as soon as practical. In the very short term, daily water changes of 25% should avoid any fatalities, but this isn't a long-term solution.

Now, was this situation the retailer's fault? Yes and no. Yes, retailers should be obliged to provide good information. But they are, after all, retailers, and even the best can't know everything about every species of fish they sell. You wouldn't buy a car from a retailer based on his or her recommendation, and you wouldn't buy clothes based on the opinion of the retailer rather than your own. Personal judgement is always a part of any retail transaction. In this situation, by all means go shopping for fish, but either research some good species beforehand, so you can pick up the exact fish you want, or else buy (or borrow) a good aquarium fish encyclopaedia, and use that while you're shopping to check the basic facts such as size, temperament, water chemistry requirements and so on. For some reason teenagers today are terrified of books, but trust me, books are our friends, and they are remarkably easy to use. Simply open the covers, turn to the index, look up the species you see in the tank before you, and read the words of wisdom provided. If the facts presented mean the fish should work in your aquarium, then you can buy the fish with confidence. If the facts suggest problems, then you can avoid disappointment and unwanted expense by leaving the fish in the pet store. What could be simpler? Once you get the hang of reading books, you'll wonder how you lived without them. (Yes, I am being sarcastic here, and I'd like to think you read books anyway, but my point stands: an aquarium book is your friend while shopping.)

What you've done is learned a lesson most of us experienced hobbyists have learned at some point: ignorance is expensive. There's a reason we read, why we go to school, why we get college degrees. The more you know, the better your life becomes. This applies to everything from keeping pets through to getting a job. Spend more time reading about your fish, and then when the time comes to go shopping, you'll be able to craft a great collection of pet fish ideally suited to the tank you have.

Cheers, Neale

Oh, and PS. The pet store can't be 75 miles away. If it takes 30 minutes to get there, and it's 75 miles away, then you must be travelling at 150 miles per hour, which seems unlikely.

I Live In A Small Suburb There Are No Buses No Taxis And The Shop I Bought The Fish From Must Be 75 Miles Away. It Takes Like Half An Hour To Drive There.
Next Time Think Before Your Ignorant.

Thanks For The FISH Advice Neale But As For Everything Else I Dont Need A Life Lesson I Thank You For Telling Me But I Dont Need It. I Read Books ALL The Time And Am Currently Reading Pride And Prejudice Which Should Show You Something. I Plan To Got To College Get A Masters In Buisness. As Fot The Caps I Dont Do It Cuz I WanT To I Dont It Because Its A Habit That Is Hard To Break I Automatically Press The Shift Key Without Giving It Thought. Its Hard Too Stop And Believe Me Im Trying to Stop. PEOPLE THIS IS A POST ABOUT FISH NOT THE WAY I TYPE OR HOW I SHOULD LIVE MY LIFE

dude,
take the advice or leave the advice. all very good advice mind you. instead of sitting around defending yourself, why not go do those waterchanges and help those FISH! in the meantime this whole thing will blow over, but not while you are bringing it up. and as far as rudeness and sarcasm go, it is often impossible to pick up tone and intent while reading text, so interpretation is opened to the reader. i honestly didnt read into any rudeness or sarcasm with the exception of Pipe Dream. why not go do those waterchanges!
cheers
just a thought.

Ok I never said i would not do the water changes and i am doing all i can for the fish. will you helpful members please talk of ways to to good for the fish and not lecture me a thousand times
 
Wow, I don't really want to get involved in this conversation. Why should I even call it a conversation? More like a bad attempt at a flaming battle! What I would reccomend for the OP to do, is to start a fish-in cycle. This is where you cycle your tank, but you use the fish as a source of ammonia. It is not reccomended by most fish keepers, but when you don't know any better, and listen to a fish store, I don't believe that it is your fault. But may I say one thing? We have asked you several times nicely to stop using capitals at the begenning of words. It gets VERY annoying, and confusing to read.

Do you plan on keeping the fish that you have at the moment, after you have the tank cycled? If so, I would NOT reccomend it. Here are my thoughts on a few of the fish that you have chosen:

One thing is that it is never a good idea to mix new world cichlids and old world cichlids together. The angel fish is a new world cichlid. The lab and jewel are old world cichlids. I have read some instances of where people have gotten away with mixing jewels and new world cichlids together. How ever, any expirenced fish keeper will tell you that it is not a good idea. Most old world cichlids like hard alkaline water. Most new world cichlids like soft acidic water. If you DO want to go with african cichlids, then; One, you woule need a larger tanks; Two you would need a water buffer. Hope this helped you a little.

How tall is your tank? Angel fish need a tank that is atleast 18" tall. Some angel fish breeders get can keep them in 20 gallon aquariums, how ever that is because they only have one purpose, and that is to breed. And with most fish keepers, they keep angel fish for an ornamental purpose, and they would require more water capactiy. I would say a 30 gallon would be sufficient.

Please don't take this offencively, as it was not meant that way. It is NOT your fault that the fish store told you wrong. You were a newbie, and knew no other than to believe them. We were all newbs at one time. I'm sure that a lot of us have started out the same way you did. I didn't, though. I reseached and then bought my fish. Not trying to "toot my own horn" but just saying. I hope you take my advice on the fish in cycle, and go with it. I think that I have seen more than one person reccomend that you do a fish-in cycle, and you just argue with them. If you are going to ask for advice, them please take it. Have a good day. :good:
 
Is there any way that you could explain the situation to your parents and try and arrange a day that they would be able to drive you up to the store to return the fish? If you can arrange it, then im sure the people on here will be able to offer advice on how to keep the fish alive until that date
 
Is there any way that you could explain the situation to your parents and try and arrange a day that they would be able to drive you up to the store to return the fish? If you can arrange it, then im sure the people on here will be able to offer advice on how to keep the fish alive until that date

I am temporarily closing this topic until some editing can be done to tidy up a little.
 

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