Should I Breed Them?

[jollysue]

I just dropped back to suggest that the future breeders watch adam123's spawn diary below.

33moths: I don't disagree with anything you have said. It's my opinion though that it is better for young people to be here asking questions. When people feel defensive they often shut down or leave. A discussion can be civil and not insulting. People will do what they are going to do. A discussion that is civil will allow people to consider their options. These teens are making a good choice to be here. Frankly I do value them more than the fish and would rather see them doing this than doing some other things they could be doing. Flaming is against the forum rules and these discussions can quickly lead to arguements and piling on and flaming. Just my views here.

 

[dwarfgourami]

I'll tell you why. More or less everyone likes the looks of bettas, and that the colors can vary. With most egglayers, the babies are more or less clones. I want to breed them, and I'm probably getting a breeding tank on Wednesday, which is my 13th birthday. I'm going to be a teen!

I see your point, there is something special about the different personalities and colourings of bettas. I can certainly understand the attraction.
Still, this is seen from the perspective of the breeder. If we want to sell the fish, we need to think primarily of the perspective of the future buyer, as it depends on them whether our fish will face a decent future or not. And tbh a customer isn't going to care if that beautiful zebra plec happens to look like a clone of its parents or not.

 

[tetraman]

I know what ethnics are! I just don't see them in breeding a nice pair of crowntails. What kind of idiot do you think I am.

 

[OohFeeshy]

It's more ethical to breed a decent pair than a far too old pair of VT mutts.

 

[92cw12]

earlier on i said i got a emale that might be a halfmoon today i picked a double tail up!
i asked the man if the fish i bought a couple of days ago was a halfmoon and he said yes.
so know i have 1 tricolour male, i pure red male, a blue halfmoon and a double tail!

the pictures of the fish i want to show are to big for this site so if you want to see my fish go on my website
http/pic7.piczo.com/bettas4u/?g=6534255

 

[Haeun]

Well, I say you should be able to identify by yourself what type of fins your bettas have before you should start breeding.

If you aren't sure, how are you going to identify your male and female fry? How are you going to know to separate them when they get older?

Anyways. I highly discourage breeding veiltails at all because there are already too many on the market at fish stores, and they're are not in demand. Even if the female is a real HM (look up halfmoon traits if you want to know if yours really is a halfmoon), the male is a veiltail so you will get many (if not all; o_o forgetting my genetics...) veiltails.

On a side note: Awesome doubletail find.

 

[92cw12]

Well, I say you should be able to identify by yourself what type of fins your bettas have before you should start breeding.

If you aren't sure, how are you going to identify your male and female fry? How are you going to know to separate them when they get older?

Anyways. I highly discourage breeding veiltails at all because there are already too many on the market at fish stores, and they're are not in demand. Even if the female is a real HM (look up halfmoon traits if you want to know if yours really is a halfmoon), the male is a veiltail so you will get many (if not all; o_o forgetting my genetics...) veiltails.

On a side note: Awesome doubletail find.

from my local shop just 250 meters from my house. any way i like vail tails there kind of nice . any way if you want to start with a simple betta what a great fish

 

[33moths]

I know what ethnics are! I just don't see them in breeding a nice pair of crowntails. What kind of idiot do you think I am.

That is my point- the word is ethics, not ethnics. Hehe.

 

[dwarfgourami]

I know what ethnics are! I just don't see them in breeding a nice pair of crowntails. What kind of idiot do you think I am.

That is my point- the word is ethics, not ethnics. Hehe.

That was perhaps a little unnecessary. How do you expect people to listen and learn from you about fishkeeping if you make fun of them for a typo? Speaking as somebody who gets her fingers entangled in the keyboard twenty times a day- yet no one ever seems to notice it. Perhaps because I am not a teenager?
Let's get back to the subject under discussion.

 

[33moths]

Age isn't the issue. It takes half a second to look up a word, and the same amount of time to correct spelling and typos. Now, it's an issue between the two of us- not, however, between you and I. We're wasting even more space discussing it. I simply corrected him without judgment in that last post, so why do you bother? If I am never to correct anybody's typos, how will they learn from that? Grammar is important. It was a one sentence correction with a laugh to lighten the mood- no need to become defensive of the grammatically incorrect brethren of yours.

 

[Haeun]

from my local shop just 250 meters from my house. any way i like vail tails there kind of nice . any way if you want to start with a simple betta what a great fish

But that's the thing. Bettas are not simple fish to breed!

If it's money and simplicity you want from breeding fish, maybe you should look into guppies. I have been considering that too, because guppies are really cute, are just about as colorful as bettas, and apparently, they're easier to breed and can make you a lot more money than bettas will.

Edit: Yes, spelling and grammar is important, but your hangup on one "n" is unnecessary, please. Let's get past that point.

 

[OohFeeshy]

On the website, the first is a VT, second is a DT but both appear to be of little use for breeding anyway. The DT is full of red wash and is generally pretty straggly looking.

 

[amio]

I know what ethnics are! I just don't see them in breeding a nice pair of crowntails. What kind of idiot do you think I am.

That is my point- the word is ethics, not ethnics. Hehe.

On the website, the first is a VT, second is a DT but both appear to be of little use for breeding anyway. The DT is full of red wash and is generally pretty straggly looking.

Not to mention she's a dtvt. Which means you're still gonna wind up with 100% vt offspring. Besides, whatever pairing you come up with from you current bettas you'll still end up with 100% vt offspring. Ugh. Like wisperian said. Everyone's trying to be a breeder.

 

[Yarra]

THANK YOU FOR THIS!!!

I have been tossing around breading bettas now for about 3 months. I think about it, forget about it, research about it (a little). Look at BEAUTIFUL bettas on Aquabid.

We are buying a house next week, and I would have a WHOLE room I could devote to fry and breeding.


I AM SOOOO GLAD I FOUND THIS THREAD!!

500 fry!! With no guarentee all could be sold??? Do you have ANY idea how many fish that is!?! If you kept them all in 1/2 gallon containers, that is 250 gallons of water!! AND with 20% water changes weekly? That is 50 gallons of water a week! Just for water changes on 500 fry!!!

Now granted, you could put a few females together, and save some room. But the water alone! Not to mention the food, the electricity for lights and pumps and the TIME! How long would it take to change 500 little containers?? I would have no life outside of work!

I am really glad I read this. I still want to buy a few of the BEAUTIFUL males I see on aquabid, and deffinitly find a few really pretty females for a sorority. But instead of breading these lovely fish, my mind has turned more to display. Displaying them in such a way, together, that it adds to the beauty of my home, not to the clutter of the fish room.

I live in a small town and the LFS would buy from me. But I know they couldn't sell 500 bettas. I would like to venture into fish breeding, but I think I will take the advice that is given here. I have been looking for fancy guppies and they are SO hard to find. Maybe I should find a couple pretty pairs on aquabid and breed them.



THANKS YOU GUYS!


Kristin

 

[jollysue]

Yarra: Just to be totally honest, 500 fry would not survive. There are breeders on the forum and some spawn diaries in the archives. Look for spawn diaries by Synirr and wuvmybetta to begin with. spalshluff has a nice one when she did hers--a successful first time breeding attempt. Maybe try searching "spawn diary" or posts by a breeder member. The time outlay for breeding Bettas is a very major consideration from what I've seen. There are other breeders' spawn diaries; these are just ones I followed.

Often first attempts don't do well. It is a lot of work. I have only raised cory fry, and that requires lots of attention for a short space. But they are easy compared to the investment for Bettas. Aeneas Coradoras are fairly easy to breed, and there is a market. You can get nice ones at the lfs and don't have to ship from AB. But they are difficult enough so that you don't get overrun with fish. They are cute little guys. You would get lots of help in the coradoras catfish forum.