Oxygenating Crystals

[modaz]

Hi Mel,

I've never used this specific product, but i would tend to agree with Bignose. In the absence of even an explanation of how the product works, the claims of helping with oxygenation and biological filtration surely must be taken with a pinch of salt?

I would keep your money firmly in your purse.

What do you want them for, anyway? I've been keeping fish for years and have never had any need for such a product. It sounds like yet another product with the sole purpose of lining the manufacturers pocket through taking advantage of unsuspecting hobbyists, if you ask me.

Modaz etc, this is not a personal dig. I would advise the same to anyone, about any product of this elk, regardless of who is selling it.

Cheers

BTT

thats ok, thank you for a mature response, thats all that was needed from bignose, ive got no problem with this at all, just the way he/she comes across is out of order.

 

[three-fingers]

You know, if there was some sort of evidence posted here to suggest they do work, I would be inclined to go buy them...even if I didn't need them, they would be useful for emergencies, and I liked idea they could be used in shipping live fish - sounds very useful.

But because of the reluctance to post even information on what they are made of or suggest how they work means there is now no chance at all of me buying them...and I would never have bought them without some kind of plausible explanation.

I mean, surely if they did work, there would be no issue with posting information on how .

Of course, if it could be proven that they do work with an explanation as to how, I would once again be inclined to purchase.

 

[modaz]

You know, if there was some sort of evidence posted here to suggest they do work, I would be inclined to go buy them...even if I didn't need them, they would be useful for emergencies, and I liked idea they could be used in shipping live fish - sounds very useful.

But because of the reluctance to post even information on what they are made of or suggest how they work means there is now no chance at all of me buying them...and I would never have bought them without some kind of plausible explanation.

I mean, surely if they did work, there would be no issue with posting information on how .

Of course, if it could be proven that they do work with an explanation as to how, I would once again be inclined to purchase.

well i will add you to the list of pms that i have to do tomorrow

 

[bronzecat]

Hey Modaz.....when you send the 20 bettas could you put a dozen bags of the crystal things in too? Cheers

 

[Bignose]

Hi Mel,

I've never used this specific product, but i would tend to agree with Bignose. In the absence of even an explanation of how the product works, the claims of helping with oxygenation and biological filtration surely must be taken with a pinch of salt?

I would keep your money firmly in your purse.

What do you want them for, anyway? I've been keeping fish for years and have never had any need for such a product. It sounds like yet another product with the sole purpose of lining the manufacturers pocket through taking advantage of unsuspecting hobbyists, if you ask me.

Modaz etc, this is not a personal dig. I would advise the same to anyone, about any product of this elk, regardless of who is selling it.

Cheers

BTT

thats ok, thank you for a mature response, thats all that was needed from bignose, ive got no problem with this at all, just the way he/she comes across is out of order.

modaz, you made this personal by calling ME out in post #26. I hadn't said a single thing about you before that. You called me out, so I responded -- whether that is "mature" or not, I don't terribly care, but I certainly don't think it is "out of order". If my responses were "out of order" than so was your calling me out in the first place.

When did this board turn so anti-science? All I've ever called for is a little healthy skepticism and to ask questions and don't be satisfied until they are answered. Is this so wrong? Is this so "out of order"? I just don't get it, all I started doing was asking questions -- that haven't yet been answered -- and all of a sudden I am not "mature" and I'm "out of order". Whatever.

Sure, I wrote a lot about demanding skepticism -- but it is something I feel strongly about and I usually tend to write a lot to make sure that my point is made. It's why I am still writing now -- I feel strongly about the subject. I don't think that a healthy dose of skepticism is so wrong and it is something that we could all use a little more of. There are a lot of people out there trying to take your money from you -- and let me be very, very clear here: I don't necessarily think that you are one modaz -- but there is nothing wrong with being skeptical and asking questions.

So, finally, why the refusal to answer these questions? If you need time to consult some resource or someone else or anything, that is fine. Just say so. If you don't know the answer either, that's fine too. But, they are questions that deserve answers to evaluate how good of a product these crystals are. I think that they are completely fair questions. If you think that they are unfair in some way, too, please tell me in what way.

I just don't see what is wrong with asking a few questions and being skeptical before spending my hard earned money on something. I want to make sure I would get my money's worth.

 

[andywg]

Don't buy these crystals. They are a scam. There is zero proof that they work. It is nothing but a waste of money.

Isn't that libel??

It is only libel if you can prove it isn't true.

Considering the complete inability to provide answers, I don't see that happening soon


One last point everyone, why do you cycle your tanks? To get the Ammonia oxidising BACTERIA and Nitrite oxidising BACTERIA. Now ask yourself, do you really want something that promises a virtually bacteria free tank?

I say scam:

How strange that Modaz is prepared to PM people, rather than provide great advertising by posting the proof in public view.

I would like to state that I have some invisible Super Sand for sale at £100 per kg. It completely takes away the need for a heater and a filter as well as water changes. PM me if interested and I can provide full proof it works!

 

[Ace Of Spades]

I would like to state that I have some invisible Super Sand for sale at £100 per kg. It completely takes away the need for a heater and a filter as well as water changes. PM me if interested and I can provide full proof it works!

How much is postage? Sounds like its a good deal tbh, Not those crap tablets your sand

 

[shaz3271]

i dont think you quite grasp the fact that he dosnt actually make the things himself, so why are you demanding answers from him, go to the manufacturers of the product , im sure they will give you all the facts you need.

 

[newfishy]

you all need to take a chill pill, if you dont like a product, if you dont like the way it is advertised, then say so, in a plain simple polite manner without screaming scam.

if you want the science behind it look it up yourself, pm or message the seller and ask for names before you go atempting to screw with someone elses way of making a living.

 

[Million]

What a read! I'd just like to say that i'm glad science has a place here, even if it is in the minority.

Healthy skepticism is what stops us from wasting our money a lot of the time, and it's unfortunate that BigNose's original post was taken so defensively, as his point was quite fair - there is as yet no 'evidence' that this product does anything but decorate the aquarium, or if there is, why does it have to be so clandestine?

At the end of the day, what this thread was about was whether the OP should invest in this product, was it not? So it's fair to say that if there's no proof that it lives up to it's extravagant and erroneous claims, then she shouldn't!

I don't mean to put anyone's nose out here, if you ask for opinions, you'll get them!

 

[geo7x]

This thread is an interesting read and I regret not reading it before now.

i dont think you quite grasp the fact that he dosnt actually make the things himself, so why are you demanding answers from him, go to the manufacturers of the product , im sure they will give you all the facts you need.

Because you're meant to know about the stuff you sell. Most shops get their products in from external manufacturers as they certainly do not produce all the products themselves, yet it is their responsibility as they are selling it. It is up to the seller to provide the proof that the product works, regardless of whether skeptics have any opposing evidence or not.

if you want the science behind it look it up yourself, pm or message the seller and ask for names before you go atempting to screw with someone elses way of making a living.

Since when is 'making a living' an excuse for selling something that may not work? What about the money of the people who buy it? People make a living out of selling drugs and pirate DVDs but does that mean it's ok? I find this an extraordinarily peculiar argument .

I also don't understand what is so offensive about accusing something of being a scam? If someone doesn't believe a product will work then of course they think it's a scam, and if people are lead to believe that fish can't survive without this product then it is a scam.

I completely agree with what Bignose has said and I do not believe that this product could possible do as it claims.

However, if an aquarium is set up correctly then there is absolutely no need for this product even if it did work.

This is not an attack at you modaz, and I think you have unfortunately been pulled into this argument and are having to take the blame for a problem of which you only play a very small part if we are talking relatively to the millions of people that also sell/promote/manufacture this product. We could stand here and point fingers for hours so I think it is only fair to blame the entire business as a whole.

 

[MermaidMel]

Gosh what a fuss this has all caused. It reminds me of when I had my kids and was on a parenting forum and regularly saw threads warning other mothers about gimmicky purchases that served no purpose, like the bottle warmer that took 7 minutes to heat a bottle with a screaming baby instead of just using a microwave for 30 seconds lol.

It might be useful if we start a thread on here to do the same thing!