Is Sending Fish Via Mail/Courier Ok In Your Eyes?

[Big_eyes]

It's getting on my nerves now that I've missed so many chances for so many good fish because the seller 'don't think posting is the best thing for this type of fish'.

I've now myself ordered -

Chain Loach
Clown Loach
Kuhli Loach
Oto's
and a royal pleco online, via some form of delivery service!!

To me fish are fine to be sent via delivery as long as they get there fast enough. I've never had any problems with recieving fish via delivery, even in the freezing cold such as when I got my plec delivered the other day.

I don't see how posting fish is such a drama, and only see it as 'collection only' for the lazy ones among us. It really gets my goat!

If you don't wanna sell and deliver then don't bother selling in the first place you lazy swear word type idiots. There aint a problem with posting/delivering!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Rant over

Anyone agree or am I alone on this one?

 

[aly_starh]

aslong as the fish are packaged fine, they wont be stressed. I have ordered Live stock online loads of times.

Ranging from fish to shrimp to snails.

And 'touch wood' ive not had any D.O.A yet...!

 

[betta fish]

I agree, personally I don't think there is anything wrong with posting/receiving fish in the post providing only next day special delivery is used and the fish are well packaged, i.e double bagged with plenty of padding in box in form of bubble wrap, packing peanuts, shredded paper etc I have both received and sold many times with no problems what so ever, though I think caution should be taken for certain types of fish i.e very large fish, those with barbs/sharp appendages, delicate fish and fish that require higher temperatures as I don't think heat packs are too reliable in this closed atmosphere, also extreme weather conditions such as minus temperatures or really hot days, thankfully few and far between in britain!

 

[Big_eyes]

I agree, personally I don't think there is anything wrong with posting/receiving fish in the post providing only next day special delivery is used and the fish are well packaged, i.e double bagged with plenty of padding in box in form of bubble wrap, packing peanuts, shredded paper etc I have both received and sold many times with no problems what so ever, though I think caution should be taken for certain types of fish i.e very large fish, those with barbs/sharp appendages, delicate fish and fish that require higher temperatures as I don't think heat packs are too reliable in this closed atmosphere, also extreme weather conditions such as minus temperatures or really hot days, thankfully few and far between in britain!

That's fine, but lets say for example I refer to clown loach. Why do people make the excuse that they are so fragile? They are a fish that is delicate to poop and other rubbish in the water. They aint no different to any other fish in a bag, if they were so delicate the lfs would make you carry fish away in a 3 foot tank.

 

[Truck]

how do people think they get to the LFS? teleport?!


They're in bags longer on the way to the LFS than they are when bought online.

 

[betta fish]

I agree, personally I don't think there is anything wrong with posting/receiving fish in the post providing only next day special delivery is used and the fish are well packaged, i.e double bagged with plenty of padding in box in form of bubble wrap, packing peanuts, shredded paper etc I have both received and sold many times with no problems what so ever, though I think caution should be taken for certain types of fish i.e very large fish, those with barbs/sharp appendages, delicate fish and fish that require higher temperatures as I don't think heat packs are too reliable in this closed atmosphere, also extreme weather conditions such as minus temperatures or really hot days, thankfully few and far between in britain!

That's fine, but lets say for example I refer to clown loach. Why do people make the excuse that they are so fragile? They are a fish that is delicate to poop and other rubbish in the water. They aint no different to any other fish in a bag, if they were so delicate the lfs would make you carry fish away in a 3 foot tank.

I dunno! although for some reason I would be slightly cautious posting clowns especially the larger ones, I have kept them in the past and they are powerful fish that get stressed easily I can see why people would be a bit cautious at posting them compared to other fish but I'm sure it can be done and probably often is!

 

[Knox213]

I feel sorry for clown loachs.


since no-one has bred them in captivity yet. they are driven half way accorss the world JUST to arrive in our LFS.


thats atleast 800 miles

( I DOnt know.. )

im not too fussed about P&P

Just if you pick up. you cant blame the buyer if the fish dies on the way back. unless it was ill etc.

 

[kiriyama]

Nothing wrong with mai9l order as long as packaged correctly, delivered quickly and acclimatised correctly/safely, anything that does not cause extra stress, received fish from Wildwoods and was very impressed with prompt service and each fish in its individual bag , all good

 

[england]

I feel sorry for clown loachs.


since no-one has bred them in captivity yet. they are driven half way accorss the world JUST to arrive in our LFS.


thats atleast 800 miles

( I DOnt know.. )

im not too fussed about P&P

Just if you pick up. you cant blame the buyer if the fish dies on the way back. unless it was ill etc.

Clown loaches have been bred in aquariums, however it is very rare. Sexing clown loaches externally is hard, but possible by looking at the tail fin. The tail fin tips on the male are slightly bent inwards, making the fin look a little bit like a claw. The tail fin tips on the females aren't shaped like this.

Clown loaches have to be quite old and at least 7 inches / 17 cm before they are sexually mature. In the one good account of clown loaches spawning they spawned under the following conditions:
- Temp: 84F
- pH: 6.5
- Ammonia & Nitrite: 0
- Nitrate: < 25

Four large clown loaches (over 25 cm /10 inches) were kept together in a planted aquarium, and a few weeks before spawning they changed their behaviour and started eating live fish as their only accepted food. The females in the group grew very fast on this diet, and had doubled in girth by the time of spawning. The night during which the spawning took place, two clowns were swimming close beneath the surface entwined in each other and "clicking." The next morning, 450 eggs were found spread about the aquarium. Clown loaches eat their own eggs, so it is recommended moving the parents if you wish to succeed in spawning them.

The fry were fed liquid fry food for the first two weeks, after which they accepted crushed flakes. They grew relatively fast, to 2.5 cm/ 1 inch in 6 weeks. After that the growth rate slowed down.

It's suggested that older fish are essential for breeding since this fish might have to be quite old to be sexually mature. Clown loaches live to be about 50 years, so it is quite feasible that they may spawn later in life than many other species.

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[ellena]

I'm very surprised to hear they haven't been bred in captivity. They are so prevalent at LFSs-they're all wild caught?
Very sad as they are a fish that gets so huge I bet loads of them die before reaching maturity
Back to the original Q, I think it's fine as well, with a few possible exceptions as betta fish said

 

[Knox213]

I'm very surprised to hear they haven't been bred in captivity. They are so prevalent at LFSs-they're all wild caught?
Very sad as they are a fish that gets so huge I bet loads of them die before reaching maturity
Back to the original Q, I think it's fine as well, with a few possible exceptions as betta fish said

they cant take clown loaches over a certian Size?

only Juvi's

And they have i think but its realy rare...

 

[indigoj]

I don't object to posting fish at all however when I sell any fish it is collection only for 2 reasons -
1. I don't drive and there is no way on earth I'm lugging a polybox complete with water, heatpack, fish and wrappings to the postoffice and
2. Many of the fish I've sold wouldn't fit in a bag (eg my big clarias) so posting would have a significantly increased risk.

So not all 'collection only' is down to laziness or thinking it's not right, it's quite offensive to call people lazy without knowing the facts.

 

[aly_starh]

In the future though i would not use The Royal mail again, it would have to be a fish courier.

My last package of Live stock (cameo and the shrimp) was sent out by Royal Mail Special Delivary Before 1PM... guess what time it arrived 12.59. You could see the man delivering it running, try to deliver it before the clock hit 1!

 

[Trollfest]

Are you the same person who wouldn't send a rescue betta in the post cos you weren't that confident about mailing fish? I also think it's a bit unfair to call people lazy if they won't do it as I suspect most people who won't are like you, and just don't feel confident about doing it.

 

[aly_starh]

Never sent out bettas before and never offered to send out a betta either.


i think you have got the wrong person