I'm still trying to understand how my post could be misconstrued as an insult or derogatory? Have you read any of my other responses to comander doom? In any of his other threads? Honestly, the hostility isn't coming from me. I've offered every piece of advice I could to every question he has had. As for me snapping? Why ya want me to snap? or can someone not handle a little honesty? I'm speaking honestly when I say that he needs to start out with a beginners book. Yeah we all screw up when we first start out. I started out with a 5 gallon and some of the same problems that he is having...my problem was not having a good heater. Ya know what I did?? I did exactly what I advised him to do. Got a beginner book and started all over again with. enough knowledge to keep the fish alive. Last year at this time I had 5 tanks. I sold my 35 gallon and my 15 gallon to upgrade to a 100 gallon. The ciclid fry I have raised paid for most of my equipment and now I'm working on breeding discus. If you've actually read all the posts and actually see that I don't offer advice and all I do is jump down his throat, fine, I apologise. But since I highly doubt that you have read them all, then like I said before " who gives a rats ass"