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my tank has been clouded horribly by algae for about 2 months now.i thought it was because of bad filtration by my old penguin 350 on my 55 gallon. i just got an ehiem classic 2215 for christmas, and i was thinking that they are so good they would clear it up in 1 day. is it the filter or do i have a bad tank? :unsure:
 
filtration isnt the answer with algae. eheims are very good filters. is your tank getting sunlight? that can cause algae if your tank is placed where sunlight shines on it then algae will build up quickly. there are other reasons for algae build-up , hopefully somebody with a better knowledge of this can give a better answer but filtration isnt the problem . i read that moss balls are good for helping control algae as they out-compete the algae for nutrients in thee water
 
no, its not near sunlight. do moss balls need co2 and nutrient additives?
 
No, but moss-balls arent great for combating algae.

Not only are they slow growing, but they are actually made of algae themselves. The algae from the moss ball seem sto have spread in my tank :lol:. Not that I mind, as it looks quite natural.

For combating free-floating algae in the water (assuming all your water stats are fine) there are two ways of going about it.

If you have no plants in the tank and don't want any, then I would combine 3 things.

First, do a big water change to remove most of the algae so it doest pollute the water when it dies. Also remove chemical media from the filter that could interfere with the next step.
Secondly, add some kind of algaecide to the water to kill off most if not all of the algae. I really don't like doing this since algaecide ingredients should be toxic to fish and possibly filter bacteria too, but have heard of lots of success with it.
Thirdly, add a small external in-line UV unit or one of the cheap UV internal filters to kill off any remaining algae cells. The smaller cheap units should do fine for just getting rid of algae, also heard of alot of success with this.

If the UV unit turns off, the algae could come back.


The best way of controlling algae IMO is lots of healthy plant growth, but in a tank where the plants arent established yet I would do the following (I've been reading Diana Walstad's Ecology of the Planted Aquarium - very good book):

Firstly, do that big water change to remove as much algae as possible at the start.
Secondly, add activated carbon to the filter to remove some nutrients the algae are after. This will need to be changed as often as possible until the algae is gone, I would change it every couple of days, a week maximum.
Next, turn off one of your lighting tubes if possible (as in, only if you have more than one tube), if not, ignore this step.
Fourth, add as much floating plants as possible, this step is very important, and may even work on its own. Duckweed is great because it grows very very fast, but water lettuce and Salvinia spp. are easier to remove if you want rid of it once the other plants are flourishing. I like frogbit because it grows about as fast as duckweed but is larger.

Once the algae is gone and has been for a week maybe, remove the carbon. Once the non-floating plants are flourishing, you can remove some or all of the floating plants.

Having lots of easy fast-growing non floating plants will help a lot, I recommend Hygrophila polysperma.

I also in general recommend hornwort, it's supposed to be great at combating algae because it grows fast and I've read on the web that it in particular produced lots of anti-algae chemicals.
I've used hornwort alone in small tanks with no filters to get rid of green water algae.
 
well i tried live plants and the tank totally bombed. what are some EASEY plants i could put in the tank to keep algae down?
 
I'd try hornwort and Hygrophila polysperma as fast-growing plants, and java fern and Anubias spp. asslow-growing decorative plants to fill in the gaps later. But wait first untilt he fast growing plants are growing well.

If you failed with plants in the past, usually it's just down to people choosing the wrong plants and/or keeping the tank too 'clean'.

What lighting does you tank have and what substrate?

Also remember when you are planting stem plants, remove the lead weights, foam and pots and plant each stem individually a couple of inches apart.

The Anubias spp. and java fern I've mentioned are ideally tied down onto rocks or wood.
 
i can ge up to 3.6 watts per gallon, but dont usually use it all
i dont use c02
i have pe gravel
i have the new eheim filter and an undergravel filter
i dont dose any ferts
 
I'm not sure if anyone else has spotted this, but that filter does about 500lph when fitted with media and short hoses, on a tank of arround 250l... That is 2X an hour turn-over, where you want a minimum of 4X for general keeping, and 10X for a planted tank.....

Undergravel filters are nitrate factories, even when well maintained IME... :/

I'd say filtration is still the issue... :nod:

IME plants never do well in a tank running a UGF. It rotts the roots and/or the stems in the substrate :sad:

I know the exturnal was a guift, but is there any way of taking it back and "up-grading" to a larger modle? You want arround 1200lph of flow for general keeping, and double to quadruple that if you want to keep plants. I agree with most of Three-Fingers advice above, but IMO UV units treat the symptom and not the problem. Most algea "problems" are caursed by something that will stress fish, so you want to dig for the caurse and remove it, such that it won't come back or require the UV to run all the time :nod:

All the best
Rabbut
 
i can ge up to 3.6 watts per gallon, but dont usually use it all
i dont use c02
i have pe gravel
i have the new eheim filter and an undergravel filter
i dont dose any ferts
In that case rooted plants wont do very well at all.

In your situation I would add loads of hornwart and cover at least half of the surface with floating plants. The floating plants will multiply very fast, and block out a lot of the light (which is good because 3.6WPG is a too high IMO without adding CO2 and ferts) but still allow enough light trough for the hornwort, which will also grow very fast and produce chemicals to combat the algae.

If you have soft water, adding a lump of tufa rock (or any other rock from the lfs that raises pH will help the hornwort thrive).

In the meantime if you don't have any plants at the moment, do a big water change (over 50%) and turn all the lights out 24/7. Turn all of them on again for about 12 hours a day once you add loads of floating plants and horwort.

Once the problem is gone, you can start removing some hornwort and floating plants and add some slower growin gspecies like the java fern and Anubias :).


Rabbuts advice is good, though if you have a low fish load I wouldn't worry too much about getting a bigger filter. You could add your penguin 350 to the tank in addition to the eheim. But IMO as long as you don't have a heavy load of fish the 2215 should be fine.

Btw, did you put all the mature media from the penguin into the eheim?
 
Since you have had problems in the past with live plants, I assume you don't have live plants now. Cut your lighting down to 3 or 4 hours a day and in a week or less you will see noticeably less green water algae or any algae for that matter. Algae needs nutrients and light to grow. If you take away either one, it will die. For some reason I can't seem t grow green water from a culture of green water, but that is another story.
If you have live plants, look at a shorter photo-period than you currently use. A UV filter will kill green water fairly quickly but it strikes me as an expensive way to kill green water. After all, green water is not a problem for any fish, it is just a problem for you trying to view the fish.
 
no i didnt transfer my bacteria


im doing a blackout now for about 3-4 days, so yeh


what do you guys think if i got some eco complete and put in some diy co2, and turned my lights low to have a low tech tank. would it work?
 
no i didnt transfer my bacteria


im doing a blackout now for about 3-4 days, so yeh


what do you guys think if i got some eco complete and put in some diy co2, and turned my lights low to have a low tech tank. would it work?
If you didn't transfer your bacteria, your tank will be fairly unstable at the moment so it's no surprise you have green water ;).

Would it work? Maybe. As simple as that. I wouldn't recommend you try it unless you really want a high tech planted tank (and often the extra maintenance that comes with it). I would recommend you stick to the floating plants and the simple plants I told you, unless you really want to get into the planted side of things .
 

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