Are feeder fish legal ?

[CatLover]

Haha true.

 

[ferrikins]

well I personaly think anyone thinks it good for to watch and animals scared out of it's life, and ripping the crap out of each other as good to watch, is sick and have a worped mind, and should no way be aloud to keep any animal.

I shore if you look on the UK goviment web site, you will find a run down of all the laws, I'd would find it for you but gotta go a bed right now.

I feel strongly on this one, and hope not to comment futher as feel it will only lead into an argument.

 

[Fishy411]

you could just say that u r trying to keep the tigerfish and white clouds together. They realy cant prove anything.

ferrikins- some fish only take live food so is it better to have a wild caught fish die or let it eat fish that are bred specifically so that they can be fed to other fish

 

[Grim Reaper]

I feel strongly on this one, and hope not to comment futher as feel it will only lead into an argument.

Its natures rule u must kill to survive, we are just giving our opinions we don’t need to have a argument

 

[ferrikins]

you could just say that u r trying to keep the tigerfish and white clouds together. They realy cant prove anything.

ferrikins- some fish only take live food so is it better to have a wild caught fish die or let it eat fish that are bred specifically so that they can be fed to other fish

I do understand that, I objection was realy people 1, taking pleshour out of doing so, and 2, the fact some have said it is fine to do it with other animals.

I mean I could say if they won't eat dead pre peared food in captivity then they should'nt be kept, but I supose that would be the wrong thing to say. I exspect at some point if we did'nt keep them they would die out.

It's the fact that in a closed enviroment, the prey speshes has no option, at least in the wild they have a sporting chance, of getting away.

People say fish feel stress, and pain, ect ect and hate to see them suffer, but when it comes to feeders this seems to go out of the window.

I hope that post made sence I very tierd and very angry.

 

[DarkSide]

I always enjoyed feeding my crayfish (bless its soul) live feeder fish by hand

 

[a1wonder]

Honestly I'm not sure how I feel about this one way or another. Personally I have feed snails to Dwarf Puffer and yes they were living snails and he did rip it apart. I didn't get a twisted pleasure out of this but I know it will help trim down his beak. Currently it is not illegal in Canada to sell feeder fish. But it kind of makes sense normally in life fish like Oscars and piranhas normally feed on other fish in their natural habitat (these aren't all the fish to which this argument pertains to) to my knowledge you can't buy commercially produced can of guppies or other feeder fish so what other means are you left to. Many animals are commercially produced simply for food shrimp factories in Mexico may freeze or shell or wash live when I was in Mazatlan Mexico (which is the largest shrimping outlet in North America) I witnessed live shrimp being deveined and cleaned before a family ate it and we cook live lobster at restaurants. yes I am sure fish can and do experience pain but if it is of the nature of that species to eat other (as it is ours) then for nutritional value I don't have a problem with using feeder fish.

My problem with perhaps using feeder fish, and why it may be illegal is, that the industry actually has very loose guild lines about how the fish are raised. Feeder fish may contain disease which in turn could infect your fish.

it might be illegal but who knows what happens behind closed door??? Rules are meant to be broken laugh.gif

I don't agree with this statement however obviously the country has put this rule into place for a particular reason, for example mad cow where by feeding bi products of other animals passes the disease onto other species. Think about it governments on average do not pass law that have no purpose there is usually a reason or at least an attempt to fix a problem that is affecting society.

I also don't understand why people are also laughing I honestly kind of find that rather cryptic and sadistic in a sense....

 

[SnowyzMom]

No doubt everybody has had the experience of one fish eating another, only we hadn't planned it that way. Sure, throwing two fish together where both are capable of fighting it out is similar in my mind to dog, camel and rooster fighting. They're having "fun" wiping out dog fighting rings here in Ontario, it apparently is a "great place" to make drug deals! Probably one reason they outlawed pit bulls here. Sadly there are other breeds available for fighting.

I am thinking that given sometimes lax feeder fish raising guidelines in the law, plus the fact that when you rescue feeder fish they don't usually live long seemingly backs up the "they aren't very healthy routine", then if I had a prized fish I wouldn't give it feeders, just to be safe. But I don't have one so I don't know how hard it would be to feed a meat eater with something else.

I do think anything that fights really strongly for it's survival deserves to be saved so it gets a second chance...hence why I sometimes rescue caterpillars from ant hills---wow those things are muscular, flinging ants in all directions...it makes bull riding seem right tame!

I remember being furious at a friend of ours who fed a large crayfish live to his turtles and while it fought valiantly they absolutely shredded it alive. And deveining shrimp alive....yeesh would those people like their spinal cords ripped out? Ah well, at the same time I sometimes think that feeding tigers at the zoo live food would sure liven up their dull caged lives so I'm not exactly consistent....we humans seem to accept some cruelties and ignore others eh?

I remember a friend over in Korea being fed live octopus...it was plonked down live on the table and chopped up with a cleaver right there infront of them. I gather you grabbed a squirming section, dipped it in some sauce and chowed down. He said it was a matter of chewing really fast and swallowing before any part with suckers on it could grab hold of his gums. He said dislodging it was really hard. I think I was the only woman able to sit through that remininscence! And yeah I love octopi so fancy restaurant or not, they get thumbs down on that one.

Interesting thread.

 

[Fishy411]

you could just say that u r trying to keep the tigerfish and white clouds together. They realy cant prove anything.

ferrikins- some fish only take live food so is it better to have a wild caught fish die or let it eat fish that are bred specifically so that they can be fed to other fish

I do understand that, I objection was realy people 1, taking pleshour out of doing so, and 2, the fact some have said it is fine to do it with other animals.

I mean I could say if they won't eat dead pre peared food in captivity then they should'nt be kept, but I supose that would be the wrong thing to say. I exspect at some point if we did'nt keep them they would die out.

It's the fact that in a closed enviroment, the prey speshes has no option, at least in the wild they have a sporting chance, of getting away.

People say fish feel stress, and pain, ect ect and hate to see them suffer, but when it comes to feeders this seems to go out of the window.

I hope that post made sence I very tierd and very angry.

I agree with you on a few points in there. Number one i dont really like to think if fish as a thing to show off " hey bob come see what my pirahna does to this goldfish" but i dont see anything wrong with finding it kind of cool to watch yur predatory fish hunt. second a feeder goldfish isnt a prey species reealy. I bet most of them have never been in a lake or pond. Most of them were spawned in that tank at the LFS so its not like they are being taken from theri home. Thirdly im not sure if it is worse to suffer for a few seconds and then not feel anything or suffer for yur entire life in a tank at the LFS with 500 goldfish in it.

 

[NinjaSmurf]

Hmm, I guess some of you guys never saw the Discovery channel.....


Well, I'm not against it, I think it should be legal everywhere, but then that's me. Whne I watch Bugs Bunny get eaten by a snake (sarcasm here) I have more respect for life, and think, wow, everything is so dependent on everything else. However, I don't get my jollies off by watching it. I dunno, people who understand what I'm talking abou twill get, others won't, and this gets boring cause it's always around and around. Much like my pictus after those guppies.......

 

[LoachLover]

Hmm, I guess some of you guys never saw the Discovery channel.....


Well, I'm not against it, I think it should be legal everywhere, but then that's me. Whne I watch Bugs Bunny get eaten by a snake (sarcasm here) I have more respect for life, and think, wow, everything is so dependent on everything else. However, I don't get my jollies off by watching it. I dunno, people who understand what I'm talking abou twill get, others won't, and this gets boring cause it's always around and around. Much like my pictus after those guppies.......

I agree

 

[Synirr]

I don't really care either way, being that I don't and have never given my fish live feeder fish. I give them live ghost shrimp on rare occasions (and my oscar once got ich that they apparently brought in, too ,) but shrimp aren't vertebrates anyway

 

[Phantom Thief]

I did feed my snakehead feeder fish last time, before it ate frozen fish. I have to admit that i felt a little guilty for the guppies, but there is quite a thrill to watch a snakehead in the hunt.

As previously said, there are some fish that will take nothing but live feeders. So for those fish, and for fish which you are weening to take prepared/frozen foods, i think its alright.
P.T.

 

[Yenko]

So wait - my fish just broke UK law all by themselves. They recently spawned in the tank and ate their eggs, which technically were living vertabrate creatures.

 

[The-Wolf]

Look, it is quite simple.

Both the R.S.P.C.A and DEFRA have deemed the feeding of live vertibrates to other living animals is cruel. The house of commons and house of lords aggreed and passed the law.

It is therefore, illegal in England, Northern Ireland and Wales to feed live fish to other fish. I belive it is the same in Scotland, but Scottish law is often different to the rest of the UK.

Wether you aggree with the law or not is not the issue, the fact is that it is law and you should follow it.
BTW ignorance of a law is not a good enough defence in court.