Anabantoids And Smoking?

[hollyp0p]

I know Getting more at the weekend and more tanks

blimey how many more???
I'll have to take you up in the offer of coming down and checking out local stock in a couple of months after my new job starts paying me.....I'm beyond poor right now where are the ones at the w/e coming from?


That's fair enough newfishy, I often wondered about smoke before, I wonder if anyone's ever tested it, maybe it can affect all fish not just antabanoids if it's pushed underwater by air filters

 

[bronzecat]

Hi
I've got myself thinking more about it now I used to keep fish years ago and never even thought about. I've just opened the little vents at the top of the windows

I suppose its not one of the BIG issues for scientists to spend money on, not like other studies.

On a slightly diverse tangent, dogs have a higher sensitivity to scent, but they are completely unaffected by CS gas! Weird

Back on thread - i've had another thought What about nicotene scent on your fingers? Would that be enough to put the fish off? Oh no, it gets worse!

On a better note, smokers take in approx 7% less oxygen per breath than non smokers, so technically i'm not taking so much out the atmosphere? I know, i clutching at straws LOL

 

[newfishy]

I wonder how the testing on it would go?
hmm..

start from hatching fry out...one test batch one safety batch...look at boths survival rates, groth rates and then life spans I guess.

I wonder if in super saturated smoke air if their organs wouldnt develop properly. interesting stuff to research.

 

[bronzecat]

Air pumps -
Luckily mine are at floor level behind the sofa so would get minimal, if any at all, smoke in it. If it was at say, 3-4 ft, then i would now move it

I wonder how the testing on it would go?
hmm..

start from hatching fry out...one test batch one safety batch...look at boths survival rates, groth rates and then life spans I guess.

I wonder if in super saturated smoke air if their organs wouldnt develop properly. interesting stuff to research.

Be good though Would be very difficult to keep both tanks exactly the same though, but i'm sure someone could do it

 

[newfishy]

best way to test would be to run many test and safety batchs of fry...that way if you had unrelated disaster in one spawn it wouldnt ruin the whole thing.

 

[littlest]

Interesting thread - particularly as I keep bettas and I smoke and I have no choice but to smoke in the same room as them as I only rent a room. I've read many times that smoking around fish tanks (in general) is bad because it can get in the water, particularly through airpumps.
Of course since bettas breathe from the surface the smoke doesn't need to get into the water, only into the air.

I do actually feel guilty smoking near my bettas, but I feel guilty about smoking fullstop. If I can't give up for my health than it'll be a bit difficult to give up for theirs.

If I had a house, rather than just a bedroom, I wouldn't smoke in the same room as my bettas. When I used to have mice I didn't smoke in the same room as them, but that's when I had more than one room.

 

[bronzecat]

I doubt there are many who have thought about it?

I've had a browse through the net and cant find anything about it, maybe i'll have to do my own research? May as well put the degree to some good use

 

[dusky]

Be careful with the room freshners. I think its the glade candle (the one that burns like a candle but doesnt burn down) has a warning on the back not to put in room with fish tanks and small rodents etc. So when buying these sort of room fresheners it may be worth just reading the back to be sure.

 

[Dorkhedeos]

Air pumps -
Luckily mine are at floor level behind the sofa so would get minimal, if any at all, smoke in it. If it was at say, 3-4 ft, then i would now move it

I wonder how the testing on it would go?
hmm..

start from hatching fry out...one test batch one safety batch...look at boths survival rates, groth rates and then life spans I guess.

I wonder if in super saturated smoke air if their organs wouldnt develop properly. interesting stuff to research.

Be good though Would be very difficult to keep both tanks exactly the same though, but i'm sure someone could do it

Doesnt really matter where the airpump is, smoke is still going to get in your tank if its not completely sealed off.

Just add carbon to the filter

For the smokers that keep fish, wouldnt it just be easier to just step outside for a smoke like youre supposed to? Its kinda like smoking with your windows up in the car, you wouldnt want to do that would you?

 

[pirate monkey]

Interesting question!

I am a semi-scientist (physics degree tho not chemistry!) but I would have to wonder which chemicals are more likely to dissolve in water than others.

For example if one element dissolves in water quicker than another, then there would be more of the first element in the water after a measured period of time.

Then there is the fact that some substances won't dissolve in water at all.

Another factor to consider is how saturated the water is with other substances/chemicals etc eg oxygen, carbon dioxide, nitrates...

A further factor would be the rate of gaseous exchange at the surface, and again which substances water favours over others.

Now I could be wrong but I think that water 'likes' oxygen so it may take oxygen over other elements.


Just a few thoughts I had. Of course, that has less relevance to anabantoids, but I'm no biologist so have no idea how it would affect the health of the fish

EDIT: another idea just popped in my head: since in chemistry all things tend to equilibrium, I'm guessing that if the air near the water surface has say (as we learn at school) roughly 80% nitrogen, 20% oxygen and less than 1% of other gases such as those found in cigarette smoke, the air is more likely to give up the nitrogen and oxygen than it is the carbon monoxide or cyanide or whatever else is found in it.

 

[Netty]

Thanks pirate monkey....that's really interesting....makes you think out of the box a bit

 

[bronzecat]

Thats well interesting Pirate Monkey I'd forgotten all about things like that, well is was quite a while ago since i was at school

I'm still trawling through the depths of the net, but have still not found anything, but i'll keep looking.

Thanks

 

[Gill]

I say Yes

IME - I gave my Granmother a Beautiful Black Orchid CT
She placed Jostiks near the tank and it was dead when i came home from work to check on them.
Never given her another fish, as she has allsorts of incence burning all the time.

We have alot of incence in the house burning away, but these are in the prayer alcove in the hall. so away from any tanks.

 

[newfishy]

I get worried even when I mop the floor in the living room...did I add too much cleaner and its gonna kill them?> stuff going in the air. much like worrying about smoke in the house which I dont allow anyways because of the baby.

I actualy started over with my cleaning supplies and switched to the all natural/nontoxic/biodegradable stuff when I realised that the gray water from our house might get into the pond out back.

 

[sunpirate2u]

maybe someone should try it and see what happens. I could be a small discovery. not that i would know, im only 13