Wilder Can You Help Again.... Or Anyone Else Of Course

ok will do cheers wilder, the cory seems to be flicking quite a bit today..... ill get back to ya soon :good:
maybe the change of dechlor has irritated it.....
who knows!!!!!!!!!!!!!
speak soon
 
Never heard of that sand. its gritty or soft sand. it could be irratating them if its gritty.
Is it bottom dwellers that are flicking and not mid or top surface fish.
 
at the minute just 1 of the corys but i thought i saw a platy flick yesterday too but not 100%
the substrate is more gritty than sand but is very fine some is s small as sand. its made by unipac and is called zambezi. i was told it would be fine for corys at lfs. but wouldnt all the corys flick if it was this?
 
Just considering everything. Just a thought on the sand.
I would carry on with the water changes to see if that makes a difference.
Corys do flick now and then and its nothing to worry about.
Do you use filter floss or matting in your filter.
 
i am running 2x externals on the tank, 1 x rena xp3 and 1 x eheim classic 2215 both were brand new about 2 months ago and all that is in them is what came with them -
eheim - 3 x course foam pads, 1 litre of ceramics, 1 litre of bio ball things, carbon filter pad and a fine particle pad
rena - 2 x course foam pads, 2 x fine foam pads, 1 tray of ceramics and fine particle pad
im not sure if the fine particle pads are the equivalent of floss or matting but i guess so....... :unsure:
 
Ok thats sounds fine.
I replace pads every so often as they don't seem to work aswell once there been rinsed a few times.
It cheaper to just buy some filter floss or matting in big bags.
 
Ok thats sounds fine.
I replace pads every so often as they don't seem to work aswell once there been rinsed a few times.
It cheaper to just buy some filter floss or matting in big bags.
ok ill bear it in mind for next replacement. ive just ordered some rena pads...... doh!
 
Sounding like you are getting mixed results from the change of dechlorinator. I'd stick with a few regular but smaller water changes, say 10-15% daily or every other day for a while. The Aloe Vera will linger a while, and the reductions in it's levels may in turn cause flicking/rubbing... I know it can cause it when added, but I'm not sure how quickly it breaks down, nor the effects of taking it out again, so I'd treat the tank as though it has OTS for now, and just do small and regular water changes in case the Aloe Vera can cause toxic shock or other weird issues when it's taken out too fast... :good: This said, I've never know anyone to have an issue changing dechlorinator after Stress Coat and then have issues from a larger water changes and flicking from there on... :unsure:

Flukes is fairly contagious, so if only one or two fish are showing symptoms, I'd doubt even more than before that would be the issue you have...

All the best
Rabbut
 
quick tank update - did another water change today about 20% as i saw a platy flick..... he did it about 4/5 times but have not seen him do it since! 3 of the 4 corys are swimming about happy as larry at the minute 1 is still occasionally flicking still but the 4th isnt joining in its just sat at the back of the tank behind some wood! 1 of my platys did a really white blob of poo on a clear thread when i got in from work, and they all seem to be hiding away most of the time. 3 are pregnant so im not sure if its to do with this as the males normally follow them to eat the fry ive been told.... also im not 100% but 1 of my male platys might have a bit of a swollen belly ill post a pic tomorrow for you to see as i cant remember what he was like originally he may just be greedy, i didnt feed any of them yesterday to give them a break. also when doing the water change i noticed a really strange poo on some wood it was red and looked like a blob with a tail not like the normal string of coloured stuff you normally get, dont know what fish did it but it looked a bit abnormal.
sorry to talk about poo so much! i just want to give you as much info as poss to try and get to the bottom of this whole thing
 
Fish can flick with internal parasites.

Here are the signs.
Long stringy white poo, or clear mucas poo, red poo.
Bent spine sometimes.
Worms prutruding from the anus.
Enlarged anus to red inflamed anus.
Fish will look bloated or skinny.
Fish will sometimes swim on its side.
Sunken in belly sometimes.


Camallanus



Symptoms:

When the fish is stationary, deep red worms can be seen protruding from the anal pore. They are only visible when the fish is still because the worms retreat into the intestine at the fish’s slightest movement. Other signs may include an inflamed and enlarged anus. In severe infestations, the fish may become emaciated and spinal curvature may also occur.



Cause:

The parasitic worms Camallanus Cotti and Camallanus lacustris. These small, livebearing parasitic worms attach to the intestinal walls and rectum with pinchers. The worm’s grip is so tight that any attempts to remove it forcibly will rip away tissue from the intestinal wall. The worm’s pinching causes ischemia (reduced blood flow) to that part of the intestine. In time, the tissue to that part of the intestine will die, at which time the worm will migrate to another part of the intestine. This causes perforations throughout the intestine, which allows other pathogens to gain entry. If the fish is not treated, either the parasite or bacterial will kill the fish. Camallanus infestations occur most often in livebearing fish such as Guppies and Mollies, though infection is possible in all fish. Camallanus infestations are contagious. All fish, including those not yet showing visible symptoms, as well as the aquarium, should be treated.



Treatment:

Treat with Internal Parasite Guard, Pipzine, Disco-Worm, Trichlorfon or Fluke-Tabs as well as a medicated food to prevent a bacterial infection.
 
Fish can flick with internal parasites.

Here are the signs.
Long stringy white poo, or clear mucas poo, red poo.
Bent spine sometimes.
Worms prutruding from the anus.
Enlarged anus to red inflamed anus.
Fish will look bloated or skinny.
Fish will sometimes swim on its side.
Sunken in belly sometimes.


Camallanus



Symptoms:

When the fish is stationary, deep red worms can be seen protruding from the anal pore. They are only visible when the fish is still because the worms retreat into the intestine at the fish’s slightest movement. Other signs may include an inflamed and enlarged anus. In severe infestations, the fish may become emaciated and spinal curvature may also occur.



Cause:

The parasitic worms Camallanus Cotti and Camallanus lacustris. These small, livebearing parasitic worms attach to the intestinal walls and rectum with pinchers. The worm’s grip is so tight that any attempts to remove it forcibly will rip away tissue from the intestinal wall. The worm’s pinching causes ischemia (reduced blood flow) to that part of the intestine. In time, the tissue to that part of the intestine will die, at which time the worm will migrate to another part of the intestine. This causes perforations throughout the intestine, which allows other pathogens to gain entry. If the fish is not treated, either the parasite or bacterial will kill the fish. Camallanus infestations occur most often in livebearing fish such as Guppies and Mollies, though infection is possible in all fish. Camallanus infestations are contagious. All fish, including those not yet showing visible symptoms, as well as the aquarium, should be treated.



Treatment:

Treat with Internal Parasite Guard, Pipzine, Disco-Worm, Trichlorfon or Fluke-Tabs as well as a medicated food to prevent a bacterial infection.
the poo bit sounds right but ive not seen any parasites on the fish when still.... i have in the cupboard waterlife myxazin, protozin, sterazin, kusuri wormer plus and interpet anti internal bacteria treatments none are listed in your reply. the platy that flicked hasnt done it again to my knowledge but i have seen the cory flick once or twice tonight, will any of my meds be ok or should i go and get 1 listed at the weekend if lfs stocks 1 of them? or should i still wait for a few more days after another water change?
 
They are all American meds, not available in the UK. The only internal parasite meds in the UK that actually work, are only available on veterinary prescription. That involves a trip to a specialist vet, the purchase of these meds and the loss of a fish showing symptoms when they autopsy it to confirm the issue...

All the best
Rabbut
 
They are all American meds, not available in the UK. The only internal parasite meds in the UK that actually work, are only available on veterinary prescription. That involves a trip to a specialist vet, the purchase of these meds and the loss of a fish showing symptoms when they autopsy it to confirm the issue...

All the best
Rabbut
oh! fingers crossed its not that then........... do you think it would be worth a go trying the interpet anti internal bacteria? or should i hang on a while? i dont really want to add meds if poss but im not 100% its the stress coat either now.... its doing my head in!
aaaaahhhhhhhh!
 
Have you lost any fish to whatever it is recently (last week or so)? If not, sit on the issue until you know what it is would be my advise.

Do you run carbon at all?

With non-specific symptoms, but no deaths, I'd still suspect something in the water irritating the fish. Try adding carbon if you don't usually run it, and Polyfilter if carbon is usually ran, and see if that helps. I don't suppose cleaners or sprays of any description are used near the tank are they?

Most internal bacterial and parasitic infections cause large death tolls fairly quickly IME, so if you haven't had any really recent (last week or so) losses you probably aren't dealing with disease IMO.

Bacteria can become anti-biotic resistant if bacterial meds are used indiscriminately on a tank on a regular basis... If you can dosing meds for it, avoid dosing the meds :nod:

All the best
Rabbut
 

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