Wilder Can You Help Again.... Or Anyone Else Of Course

[mattlee]

Hi Rabbut, nothing has been sprayed etc in the room at all. i dont run carbon at the minute although i did remove the carbon filter sponge that came with my eheim this week when i cleaned the filter as its been in there for over a month and was not looking too good and i didnt think it was worth keeping it in and replaced the fine filter pad, i have not had a fish die at all since a gbr died in my old tank probably 2/3 months ago!
i do have a spare/empty tray in my rena external so i could add carbon to that and see if that helps. i have fluval carbon, zeolite and a few pre bagged carbon sacks bought from here a few weeks ago (not sure what make etc i just know its carbon....)

 

[WILDER]

There this med available in the uk for camallanous worms.
Its best to worm fish anyway especially livebearers if there been wild caught.
http/www.thegreenmachineaquatics.com/mal...ol%20001/198936

 

[mattlee]

just added a pouch of BIO CHEM ZORB that came with the rema xp3 filter and changed the fine particle filters too. lets see what happens now............... should i add anything to the eheim too or will the 1 in the rena be enough?
i really wanted to add my new corys to the tank this weekend, would you advise it or not? they are in my qt tank and have been for almost 2 weeks they are fine but dont want them to start flicking too......

before i changed the fine filter and added the bio chem zorb i saw 1 of my loaches flick a couple of times.................


this is absolutly insane, in a bad way i just wish 1 of my fish would get some real bad symptoms so i could figure it out.

ill report back over the weekend with any results

 

[mattlee]

not seen any other fish flick except the 1 cory since adding the carbon chem zorb stuff to the rena filter..... the water is crystal clear too (not that it was murky or anything before it just looks crystal now). the cory has flicked a few times so still not right!
i really want to add the other 4 corys from my qt tank, should i?
or is it not advisable with the cory flicking still?

 

[mattlee]

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! loach just flicked again.

 

[WILDER]

I think I would just buy that wormer med as it best to worm fish anyway.
This meds works on camallanous worms where the other one didn't.

 

[rabbut]

Do you have the ingredients list Wilder, for this med? Flubendazole-7, Paraquitazole and Levamisole needs a veterinary prescription to legally purchase in the UK in strengths sufficiently strong enough for a bath application medication

All the best
Rabbut

 

[mattlee]

i have found a small guppy that i have had from fry dead in the tank today! it hasnt really been itself the last few days hiding away alot. its had its stomach has gone... i asume it has been eaten and its red tail has gone and whats left is black/dark.
it was given to me by mistake in a bag of shrimps i bought as a very small fry and has been doing well really as its the only 1 i had and its been in the tank with fish big enough to eat it, but as i said its been hiding the last few days and ive really had to look to find him.
is this linked to my flicking problems or just a coinsidence.....?
he has no other marks, parasites on him as far as i can see but there isnt a great deal of him left!

not seen much of the corys either...... hope theyre ok

 

[mattlee]

water stats are -

nitrite = 0
nitrate = 20
ammonia = 0
pH = 7.4
temp = 26 c

not seen anything flick today but not seen much of the corys so not 100%

just been looking out for them and yes the corys are flicking............... i have only seen 7 out of 8 too! although there are plenty of places to hide. 1 cory that has never flicked to my knowledge has just flicked.

carbon has been in now for 48 hrs so i would have thought anything in the water would have been removed by now, i also replaced the filter floss pad in the eheim at the same time and even added a 2nd and 3rd in the rena as i had room for more. both filters have been cleaned out thoroughly in the last few days too.

last treatment was wormer plus 8/9/09, still no obvious symptoms on any fish

2 female platys have again had white/clear poos.

trying to give any info not already given to see if it helps, you never know.............!
- could i be overfeeding? would this cause flicking? i feed once a day with tetramin flake (2 pinches) and tetraprima granules (2/3 pinches) then normally add 2 tetra tabimin tablets at night for the bottom feeders. 1 or 2 times a week i add either freeze dried brine shrimp/ tubiflex (1/2 cube) or frozen bloodworms/daphnia/artemia/red&white mosquito larve (1 cube).
- the tank is in the conservatory so gets quite a bit of light but not direct, i put the lights on for about 5 hours when the suns setting, normally 5pm - 10pm ish.
- the tank is covered and no chemicals are sprayed anywhere near the tank or in the conservatory.
- only chems in the water are dechlor (was stresscoat but now using aquasafe)
- never had ammonia or nitrites present in this tank as used mature media from my other tank, nitrates have never gone above 20. (API liquid tests)
- any recent fish added have been in qt tank for at least 2 weeks before adding. fish added in the last couple of months are - 2 large angels, 3 medium angels, 3 platys, 4 corys. not all at once over a 2 month period and the most added at once was 4 small corys.
- only live plants are 5 moss balls, 4/5 floating plants and some java moss. the rest are silk/plastic and all were rinsed and rubbed in cold water before adding to tank.
- 4 pieces of bogwood 2 large, 2 small. 1 terracotta plant pot and fine gravel/sand substrate is all thats in the tank other than fish and plants.

this may be of no help at all but i really dont know whats the matter with the corys, i think my only choice now would be to treat for internal worms/bacteria as im struggling to find any other cause. wormer plus obviously didnt do the trick so i might get the sera treatment and try that, unless anyone has had bad experiences with it......

 

[WILDER]

Do you have the ingredients list Wilder, for this med? Flubendazole-7, Paraquitazole and Levamisole needs a veterinary prescription to legally purchase in the UK in strengths sufficiently strong enough for a bath application medication

It used to give ingredients on the site but there not veiwable now.
Other members have used the product and did the job. So it sounds hopeful.

 

[rabbut]

I'm sceptical TBH Wilder of any med in the UK claiming to cure internal parasites that isn't medicated food or a paste to medicate food with. I have not yet found any active ingredients that definitely cure IP's, and that are legal in the UK. The only thing that's legal and close to getting IP's is Flubendazole-5, used in Wormer Plus, but a dose strong enough to get all IP's with that type of Flubendazole will kill the fish you are treating also...

If mattlee, you want to treat for internal bacteira and/or internal parasites, you want to apply a dose of Interpet Number 9, and a double dose of Myxazin, at the same time. It's a very much "kill or cure" treatment process, that usually kills as many fish as are already infected with the internal bacteria. The fish with internal bacteria will be killed by this treatment also... However, us aquarists have been breeding IB infections that are medication resistant, and hence I find Interpet Number 9 useless on it's own nowadays...

For internal parasites, get yourself some Beaphar Wormer Plus reptile wormer and some frozen food. Weigh your fish (or if you are feeling risky, guess their weight), and add as much paste to a cup as you would for a reptile of the same weight as your fish. Add the frozen food to the cup and allow it to stew for about an hour, before draining and rincing the food in a fine net and feeding. Feed only medicated food and re-apply the medicated food daily for a week.

Note, both those treatments are not being applied in the way they were intended to be applied. Mixing medications is risky, and using medications for applications they were not intended to be used for is likewise risky. Use the above guidance at your own risk. However, I know of anything off the shelf that actually works on either or both these problems with fish. I however have used these methods before in the past. I haven't treated for internal bacteria and internal parasites at the same time however, and mixing the treatment may get you problematic results...

All the best
Rabbut

 

[WILDER]

Thanks rabbut. That was interesting to know.

 

[mattlee]

hello again.... i am not 100% that the corys are flicking because of disease! a few weeks ago i gave a friend 4 fish from my tank including a cory that flicked and they were put in qt, she has since said they are now in her main tank as they seemed fine in the qt tank and are still fine. i know its just my corys and occasionally my loach flicking but surely if its a disease etc then it would have spread by now to others and maybe even some deaths!
heres my latest thought.
my substrate is a sand/fine gravel mix called zambezi made by unipac. if the small gravel pieces are somehow scratching the gills of the bottom feeders when they shuffle around for food, would this make them flick due it becoming an irritant to them?
when i bought the substrate from maidenhead they said it was ideal for bottom feeders, cleans like gravel but looks more natural like sand....
i really need to get to the bottom of this for my piece of mind and more importantly my fishes health. if it is due to the substrate will it have caused permanent damage to the fish? my only way of finding out is to completely empty my tank and start again but using sand and see how it goes, but if there is permanent damage then i may never see a difference and will still be searching for the answer......
also the platy i saw flick about a week ago hasnt done it since so that may have just been a scratch or something... he is now in my qt tank with with 2 other fish and they are all fine, which also makes me think its not a disease.
my only loss has been the small guppy that i found dead a couple of days ago but it had been eaten by the looks of things which im suprised didnt happen sooner as i have 5 angels in the tank......

do you think it could be the substrate or am i just hoping it is........

 

[WILDER]

Didn't you find a red blob on some bogwood. Thats not normal.

 

[mattlee]

yeah i did find a red blob..... forgot about that!
so i shouldnt go changing the substrate just yet then?