Why Was My Fantail Attacked By My Other Fish.?

[Curiosity101]

For comets I'd personally aim for at least 30gal per fish so that's... 150gal long term? 550-600l? They wouldn't need this straight away but they would need something along the 200l mark asap. And then would need upgrading later to avoid health problems. They will also need double filtration, and don't go for tall tanks, they need the surface area for gas exchange.

For the fancys the general rule of thumb is 20gal for the first and 10gal for each additional so for your two you're looking at 120l minimum. And there is no gaurantee they wont outgrow it. They'd probably be ok in an 80l for the time being if you wanted to do two upgrades, but again you'd be risking health complications like stunting.

Have you read the information on cycling? If you haven't then I doubt the fish will survive long enough for you to buy them an upgrade.

The two fancies are probably just getting a bit nippy with eachother due to being in such a small tank. Also the water quality is probably getting to them. Black patches sounds like ammonia burn to me.

Oh and just a note, try to go second hand for tanks. It's much cheaper and there are a huge amount of sites you can look for them on. Searching 'classified ad' in google should get you started. There is also the classifieds on here and also ebay.

Edit: Forgot to mention. Goldfish don't get pregnant, they get 'eggy' ie. full of eggs. I very much doubt yours is eggy due to it's age. It's more likely that it's just slightly more round than the average fancy or it's bloated. If you try it on some deshelled peas the fibre will hopefully help remove any blockages. To get the pea ready just stick it in a microwave for a few seconds till it's soft and then pop the fleshy inside bit of the pea out and feed them that.

 

[STEVEUKGUY]

For comets I'd personally aim for at least 30gal per fish so that's... 150gal long term? 550-600l? They wouldn't need this straight away but they would need something along the 200l mark asap. And then would need upgrading later to avoid health problems. They will also need double filtration, and don't go for tall tanks, they need the surface area for gas exchange.

For the fancys the general rule of thumb is 20gal for the first and 10gal for each additional so for your two you're looking at 120l minimum. And there is no gaurantee they wont outgrow it. They'd probably be ok in an 80l for the time being if you wanted to do two upgrades, but again you'd be risking health complications like stunting.

Have you read the information on cycling? If you haven't then I doubt the fish will survive long enough for you to buy them an upgrade.

The two fancies are probably just getting a bit nippy with eachother due to being in such a small tank. Also the water quality is probably getting to them. Black patches sounds like ammonia burn to me.

Oh and just a note, try to go second hand for tanks. It's much cheaper and there are a huge amount of sites you can look for them on. Searching 'classified ad' in google should get you started. There is also the classifieds on here and also ebay.

Thanks for the input again , will check out about the cycling tomorrow, as sundays is my less busy day, more ime to sit back and relax....

The small tank was ok'ed by the guy in the shop once again, he said in time i will need to upgrade, but will be fine for the 2 Fantails to live in for at least 6 months, but then i should look into getting a bigger tanks.
im just a little concerned why 1 kepted chasing the other, he/she has stoped chasing the other around now, but the one that was being chased is more at the top of the water than usual.?? UPDATE it started chasing it around again keeps going for its rear End.?

 

[STEVEUKGUY]

i'll check to see if we got any peas in the freezer tomorrow, if not i go buy some.
Do you put the fleashy bit of the pea in the tank /cold or warm, how many peas for the 2 fish 1 each or 1 for them both

Edited, just looking on google about fish chasing as 1 site says the following...

Why does one fantail goldfish chase the other?

The behavior you’re describing is fairly common in many tanks containing more than 1 goldfish. You’ve received some interesting responses; however, I don’t see anyone giving you the most common cause of this activity which is an overstocked tank.

Mating behavior can involve a male fish chasing a female, however, to induce this behavior in a tank involves raising and lowering the temperature in the tank. It’s also fairly difficult to distinguish between male and female goldfish, so it’s going to be fairly difficult to tell you if you have a male chasing a female. If you have stumbled across the temperature fluctuations required to induce this behavior AND if you have a male/female combination its “possible” this is why your fish are chasing, but I sincerely doubt this is happening. This behavior doesn’t last long, nor is it the probable cause of your fish’s behavior.

Goldfish don’t “hunt” using this predatory type of behavior. Goldfish are scavengers and “hunt” for food by foraging the bottom of the tank, “sniffing” plants, decorations and/or any other thing in your tank where food might hide. Goldfish may also “sniff” or chase other goldfish, but will go on their merry way if they don’t find food. Goldfish should be fed no more than twice a day and only what they will eat in about 2 minutes. As long as your adhering to this schedule, your goldfish are not starving Goldfish will always appear to be hungry as they are scavenger fish. Foraging for food is part of a goldfish instinctive behavior.

Goldfish need their space! Many people are not aware that a single goldfish needs at least 10 gallons of water (some varieties need up to 20). If your 2 goldfish are in anything less than a 20 gallon tank, your tank is overcrowded! Overcrowded goldfish will bully each other. Overcrowding in the tank is primary reason goldfish chase one another! Some are of the opinion that goldfish are “schooling” fish, however, this is not true. Goldfish will tolerate other goldfish and this should not be confused with schooling. Goldfish are “social” fish and do prefer the company of other goldfish, but one must be very careful to keep their fish in properly sized tanks to avoid one fish chasing the other(s).

I wouldn’t recommend “splitting them up” as goldfish prefer having a companion. You must ensure that your goldfish are not overcrowded to avoid this behavior. It will stress the other fish which can lead to illness in the bullied fish.

So maybe 1 of the fantail is female, but if 1 is female, does the male chase the female or the female chase the male.???

 

[Curiosity101]

Cold or warm is fine. Just not hot. And try them with a pea each and don't feed them anything else that day.

Oh have you thought about buying a test kit by the way?

 

[Curiosity101]

We've already told you why they'll be chasing.

It's either:
1. They're cramped
2. They're stressed due to bad water conditions

They're not breeding, they're too young. Persistant chasing will purely be down two either one or a mixture of the two points above.

 

[STEVEUKGUY]

We've already told you why they'll be chasing.

It's either:
1. They're cramped
2. They're stressed due to bad water conditions

They're not breeding, they're too young. Persistant chasing will purely be down two either one or a mixture of the two points above.

i'll get a temperature thermometer next week along with a test kit what ever that is...or look on ebay for them.

ebay has one here the link.
Fish test kit

Differant image, but same kinda thing.

 

[Curiosity101]

Test strips are incredibly innacurate. I'm pretty sure I already recommended a good liquid test kit. It's the entry level + entry priced one that most people on here use.

API Freshwater Master Test Kit - Normally £18 on Ebay

However if you can't afford that right now then the most important ones for you to buy (you'll understand why once you've read the cycing topics) are ammonia and nitrite (<-- note the i).

Just make sure that whatever you buy are liquid testing kits. Not the strips.

 

[STEVEUKGUY]

Test strips are incredibly innacurate. I'm pretty sure I already recommended a good liquid test kit. It's the entry level + entry priced one that most people on here use.

API Freshwater Master Test Kit - Normally £18 on Ebay

However if you can't afford that right now then the most important ones for you to buy (you'll understand why once you've read the cycing topics) are ammonia and nitrite (<-- note the i).

Just make sure that whatever you buy are liquid testing kits. Not the strips.

ok thanks. will look again for others on ebay tomorrow. im off to watch a movie... good nite

 

[walkers101]

ill offer you one bit of advise seeing as im a "noob" stop listening to the guy in the shop as from the sound of it he knows nothing