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I was just reading a piece on White Cloud minnow, Tanichthys albonubes. It seems this tiny, popular fish that used to be sold as "the poor man's neon" has a pretty good story to it. It was thought to be extinct in nature, but has been found in isolated pockets through the region of southern China and Vietnam. It's listed as a protected species in China. But equally interesting is that as research has been done on this tiny minnow, it appears that seven different species have been lumped together under the one name. It's full of cryptic species - to give a hobbyist's personal definition - species that are genetically distinct but in ways that don't jump out when we look at them. The human eye isn't infallible.

So the obvious to aquarists seems complex below the surface, and breeding the fish seems a fun project, as always. If you have bred them them, they have pretty babies.
These species differences don't interest the hobby - the fish have to look different to interest marketers. I've seen Vietnamese white clouds in stores, so there's one bit of diversity recognized, but generally, you aren't likely to ever know what species you have if you keep them. Unless individuals collect them then track them with an identifier the way killie people do, the 7 species will still be treated as one in the hobby.

Does it matter? Possibly not, as fish in the hobby, away from their habitats, are living like well treated (in the best cases) zombies. That's a whole other debate.

White clouds were on of the first fish I kept, and I have a soft spot for them even if I don't have a tank for them now. Ending a post with a question makes me feel like I'm writing AI brainfluff, but how many people here are keeping and raising these fish?
 
I was just reading a piece on White Cloud minnow, Tanichthys albonubes. It seems this tiny, popular fish that used to be sold as "the poor man's neon" has a pretty good story to it. It was thought to be extinct in nature, but has been found in isolated pockets through the region of southern China and Vietnam. It's listed as a protected species in China. But equally interesting is that as research has been done on this tiny minnow, it appears that seven different species have been lumped together under the one name. It's full of cryptic species - to give a hobbyist's personal definition - species that are genetically distinct but in ways that don't jump out when we look at them. The human eye isn't infallible.

So the obvious to aquarists seems complex below the surface, and breeding the fish seems a fun project, as always. If you have bred them them, they have pretty babies.
These species differences don't interest the hobby - the fish have to look different to interest marketers. I've seen Vietnamese white clouds in stores, so there's one bit of diversity recognized, but generally, you aren't likely to ever know what species you have if you keep them. Unless individuals collect them then track them with an identifier the way killie people do, the 7 species will still be treated as one in the hobby.

Does it matter? Possibly not, as fish in the hobby, away from their habitats, are living like well treated (in the best cases) zombies. That's a whole other debate.

White clouds were on of the first fish I kept, and I have a soft spot for them even if I don't have a tank for them now. Ending a post with a question makes me feel like I'm writing AI brainfluff, but how many people here are keeping and raising these fish?
I fell in love with WMF when I saw a color plate of a "Meteor Minnow" in one of Innes' books. The year was 1956 and I was 8 years old.

A few years back, when I retired, I returned in earnest to my on again off again fish keeping hobby. First on the list was the Meteor Minnow AKA Long Finned White Cloud.

Today I have a 20gL and 29g dedicated to raising these beautiful fish.
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I have a few of these fish in my 15 gal. I won them at a club auction from the person who had them breed in his pond. They were the very last iten put up for bids. RGis is wgy I tend to stay at an auction until the very end. The price was a fw dollars for 6.

This is the coolest tank I have and is likely still a bit on the warm side for these fish. But they are quite pretty and a welcome alternative to the tetras which many of us keep. This doesn't mean they are better, they are different is all.
 
I have a few of these fish in my 15 gal. I won them at a club auction from the person who had them breed in his pond. They were the very last iten put up for bids. RGis is wgy I tend to stay at an auction until the very end. The price was a fw dollars for 6.

This is the coolest tank I have and is likely still a bit on the warm side for these fish. But they are quite pretty and a welcome alternative to the tetras which many of us keep. This doesn't mean they are better, they are different is all.
Ahh...the "poor man's neon";).
 
I fell in love with WMF when I saw a color plate of a "Meteor Minnow" in one of Innes' books. The year was 1956 and I was 8 years old.

Me too. Though I haven't kept them recently. I also loved the origins story: that a Chinese boy scout, named Tan, found the fish near Baiyun Mountain (translation: White Cloud Mountain) in Canton. And the fish was named in his honor: Tanichthys albonubes. Tan ichthys = Tan's fish.

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Do you happen to have the color plate of the Meteor Minnow? I would love to see it as I can't seem to locate my copy of the book from way back when...
 
Do you happen to have the color plate of the Meteor Minnow? I would love to see it as I can't seem to locate my copy of the book from way back when...
I remember the period when the name was coined but I always associated it with Axelrod not Innes. It's not in Innes' EAF. I don't know where it might be. If you have a notion as to what book it might be in, I might very well have it here somewhere. BTW the above plate is from the 1956 edition of Innes, the 19th ed. The same plate appeared in all editions published after the species was introduced.
 
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I remember the period when the name was coined but I always associated it with Axelrod not Innes. It's not in Innes' EAF. I don't know where it might be. If you have a notion as to what book it might be in, I might very well have it here somewhere. BTW the above plate is from the 1956 edition of Innes, the 19th ed. The same plate appeared in all editions published after the species was introduced.
Well, it might have been one of Dr. Axelrod's publications but I did find this through Google searches:

 
how many people here are keeping and raising these fish?
Well, I may have a Harlequin Rasbora on my profile picture for now, but, you can tell by name, I keep them! My favorite fish. I have even raised a pair of babies. And no, I actually was not intentionally trying to breed them either, but when I transferred an anubias to my 20g long (when there were no fish present), 2 tiny WCMMS appeared. At first (due to their bright neon coloring when fry) I could have sworn they were neon tetras. But then I thought, well, heck, I do not even have any neons, and the plant came from my 10g where there was 2 females and 4 males, so it had to be WCMMS! And sure enough, it was. I kept them there, to be raised in an empty (but cycled) 20g long tank, and put them in with the adults when they were close to an inch each. I am so proud to have some minnows that were raised (intentionally or not) in my tank.

Sadly, after a few deaths, I am not down to 5. I am going to the store soon to get more, along with some more Corydoras and a Betta (betta won't be in with the minnows, of course lol)

Truly a great fish. I am going to raise some golden WCMMS, when I have time and space.
Tanichthys albonubes were the first fish I bought when I started in the hobby almost four years ago.
Same thing here, 3.5-ish years for me.

(EDIT:..... I changed my profile pic lol, to some of my minnows)
 
View attachment 382386From my copy of Axelrod’s Color Guide to Tropical Fish.
Thanks for reminding me where I saw them :book:!
White cloud mountain fish were the first fish I kept, I had a 20 long of them back in 69/70 till 72 when we moved and I had to give them away. Brings back memories of corner bubbler filters and chrome and tar tanks. Silicone was available but a lot of tanks still used the chrome frames.
@Uberhoust, a fellow Canuck! Chrome and tar tanks??? One of my first, new tanks, was in the mid 50's, bought for me by my parents. It was a 5.5g, black-marble painted frame one with a slate bottom. Yep, tar sealed. It was bought from Simpson-Sears in Burnaby, BC...the good old days ;).
 
Thanks for reminding me where I saw them :book:!

@Uberhoust, a fellow Canuck! Chrome and tar tanks??? One of my first, new tanks, was in the mid 50's, bought for me by my parents. It was a 5.5g, black-marble painted frame one with a slate bottom. Yep, tar sealed. It was bought from Simpson-Sears in Burnaby, BC...the good old days ;).
Look what I found. You can't really see the white, wavy lines on the black frame but the description is correct...
 
It was a 5.5g, black-marble painted frame one with a slate bottom. Yep, tar sealed. It was bought from Simpson-Sears in Burnaby, BC...the good old days ;).
We had a 5g and a 7.5g when I was a kid. Bred my first bettas in the latter. Then we upgraded to stainless. Here's a listing from a 1942-43 Aquarium Stock catalogue for the marble finish tanks. The prices!

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