Tank Cycling The Fallousy

[bronzecat]

Also, in starting such a thread, you are not standing yourself in very good stead for any future help!

What future help?

Looking at the OP's previous posts, i think their intention was to cause reaction. Afterall, as a newbie they called the pinned "Fishless cycle" topic garbage, yet didn't even know a lot of the basics of fish keeping.

Blatant Trolling!

 

[Ash18]

Tbh i never used to cycle my tank and ive had no problems just happy little fishes.

but in the future i will be

 

[Truck]

he didnt cycle it he just left it to fester. i think its time a mod put this troll and his posts to bed

from the posts keenon quoted it looks like he lost some livestock

 

[Tolak]

Sure, you can do a traditional cycle with fish. If done properly there is minimal to zero long term damage done to the fish involved. Since this is only short term ATM you will not know for quite some time if there is any long term damage.

A traditional cycle with fish takes quite a bit of work considering the water changes needed. You also need to start with about 1/5 or less the average stocking rate, as well as use some fish you may not find desirable to keep long term.

If you go back in time you will find that cycling with fish was the only know method. We also used to have cars you had to crank start, and furnaces you had to shovel coal into.

 

[JustKia]

After all even Diana Walstad doesn't do "fishless cycling" because she takes the time to ensure that waste is dealt with appropriately.

Yes but surely she has a fully planted aquarium which is quite different

The planting is a way of ensuring the waste is dealt with appropriately. Many plants take up ammonia rather than nitrates and then converting that to ammonia (there's a thread not too long ago on here).
Please don't take what I said out of context My point being that people saying you can't cycle with fish, that it will kill them etc etc isn't necessarily true if the right effort is put in.

 

[Truck]

My point being that people saying you can't cycle with fish, that it will kill them etc etc isn't necessarily true if the right effort is put in.

i always stand by this point too!

people say fish in cycling is cruel and is for morons, but for some of us its our only option.

 

[OohFeeshy]

It's never an only option. Ammonia is reccomended as it's easy to measure and quantify, but if it can't be obtained then there are plenty of other non-living sources, like prawns, fish food, and so on.

Fishless cycling isn't just about the ethical aspect- I'd say it's certainly worth encouraging new fishkeepers to fishless cycle even if it's just so they can spend a few weeks deciding on stocking, decor, getting supplies, getting used to maintenance and so on.

 

[Truck]

never used the prawn method so cant comment. but my mum wont let me keep ammonia in the house she makes out its really dangerous and it will kill me. but i know better. but she wont let me use it, so i have always gone with mature media and daily water changes with fish.

i had never heard of the prawn method till last year and i will try and use it when i next cycle a tank.

 

[Underwurlde]

I could never get my head around putting a dead rotting stinking piece of meat into the same tank that my fish will eventually live in so I stand by my assertion that the prawn method ain't for me!

Andy

 

[Truck]

I could never get my head around putting a dead rotting stinking piece of meat into the same tank that my fish will eventually live in so I stand by my assertion that the prawn method ain't for me!

Andy

that was my initial thought, and you have no way of controlling ammonia.

 

[petertr]

I could never get my head around putting a dead rotting stinking piece of meat into the same tank that my fish will eventually live in so I stand by my assertion that the prawn method ain't for me!

Andy

What do you think most fish food is?




(joke!)

 

[JustKia]

Fishless cycling isn't just about the ethical aspect- I'd say it's certainly worth encouraging new fishkeepers to fishless cycle even if it's just so they can spend a few weeks deciding on stocking, decor, getting supplies, getting used to maintenance and so on.

Can't disagree there

 

[OohFeeshy]

I could never get my head around putting a dead rotting stinking piece of meat into the same tank that my fish will eventually live in so I stand by my assertion that the prawn method ain't for me!

Andy

A lot of people stick in in a bag of fabric so you don't get the bits floating around the tank. But, it's no different to any other biological waste that will end up in the tank- uneaten food, dead fish, egested waste, plant material and so on. It may be a bit more tricky to control, but the point was that anyone who says they have to cycle with fish because there's no other method is mistooken.

 

[kevinthecow]

Tbh i never used to cycle my tank and ive had no problems just happy little fishes.

but in the future i will be

I agree, without a fishless cycle and you think everythings doing good, in the future you'll probably get an ammonia spike, or so.

 

[Doryfan]

you obviously dont give a toss about your fish if you subject them to ammonia and nitrite. you probably did loose fish but you just want to be stuck up and make out your clever.

rant over. :shakes head in shame:

My point being that people saying you can't cycle with fish, that it will kill them etc etc isn't necessarily true if the right effort is put in.

i always stand by this point too!

people say fish in cycling is cruel and is for morons, but for some of us its our only option.

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Anyway, I did a fish-in cycle when I knew no better - 3 platies in a 125L tank. Daily water changes on top of testing wasn't much fun. Not sure how long platies live for but all dead after 18 months. If I was going to start a new tank, I would fishless cycle or clone filters. Not trying to advise anyone else either way - still consider myself very much a beginner and learning all the time, after 2 years!