Stumped as to problem (resolved)

Ch4rlie · Oct 1, 2020

NCaquatics said:
They've been more and more normal since I've removed the lucky bamboo. I'm really hoping this was the problem and that its done with it now.

Not mcuh of a lucky bamboo then was it :lol:

But am real glad things are now looking much brighter, we all sort of knew it was a contamination of some sort but did not know where it was coming from, so that bamboo is highly likely to be the source.

CassCats · Oct 1, 2020

Ch4rlie said:
Not mcuh of a lucky bamboo then was it

But am real glad things are now looking much brighter, we all sort of knew it was a contamination of some sort but did not know where it was coming from, so that bamboo is highly likely to be the source.

I just can't find any info on lucky bamboo doing this with fish.

HoldenOn · Oct 1, 2020

NCaquatics said:
I just can't find any info on lucky bamboo doing this with fish.

Could be it got dipped in some schmegmela and it was soaking out.

CassCats · Oct 1, 2020

HoldenOn said:
Could be it got dipped in some schmegmela and it was soaking out.

In some what now lol

This lucky bamboo was bought from petsmart, meant for tank use.

Ch4rlie · Oct 1, 2020

NCaquatics said:
I just can't find any info on lucky bamboo doing this with fish.

Yeah, nor me but think its mostly due to the rotting part of the plant and possibly not having much substrate in that tote at the time as to completely cover and stop the rotting chemicals leaching into the water column perhaps.

These are just guesses at this point but seems a fairly valid hypothesis to me anyway.

HoldenOn · Oct 1, 2020

NCaquatics said:
In some what now lol

This lucky bamboo was bought from petsmart, meant for tank use.

Never had problems with petsmart plants.

s c h m e g m e l a ?

just me? ok.

AilyNC · Oct 1, 2020

Glad things are looking up. Hopefully the bamboo was the root cause and with it removed the fish continue to improve.

CassCats · Oct 1, 2020

HoldenOn said:
Never had problems with petsmart plants.

s c h m e g m e l a ?

just me? ok.

Yeah if its a joke it went over my head, im sorry lol

AilyNC said:
Glad things are looking up. Hopefully the bamboo was the root cause and with it removed the fish continue to improve.

I'm hoping so too

Lajos_Detari · Oct 1, 2020

Dracaena Are Toxic To Pets | Pet Poison Helpline®

Dracaena Are Toxic To Pets. Varying species that contain steroidal saponin which may cause drooling, vomiting, weakness, incoordination & dilated pupils.

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The cornstalk plant, corn plant, ribbon plant, dragon tree, money tree, or lucky bamboo are a few of the common names used for plants of the genus Dracaena. There are varying species that contain unknown steroidal saponins which may cause drooling, vomiting, weakness, incoordination and dilated pupils (cats) when ingested.

I was reading this and I was thinking that if it's a poison to cat, it will also be a poison to fish or any animals.

Saponin - Wikipedia

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Some saponins are toxic to cold-blooded organisms and insects at particular concentrations.[4]

Saponin - an overview | ScienceDirect Topics

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Oral toxicity of saponins in warm-blooded animals is relatively low due to its low absorption from the intestinal tract (opposite to high toxicity for most cold-blooded animals, e.g., fish).

CassCats · Oct 1, 2020

Lajos_Detari said:
Dracaena Are Toxic To Pets | Pet Poison Helpline®

Dracaena Are Toxic To Pets. Varying species that contain steroidal saponin which may cause drooling, vomiting, weakness, incoordination & dilated pupils.

www.petpoisonhelpline.com

The cornstalk plant, corn plant, ribbon plant, dragon tree, money tree, or lucky bamboo are a few of the common names used for plants of the genus Dracaena. There are varying species that contain unknown steroidal saponins which may cause drooling, vomiting, weakness, incoordination and dilated pupils (cats) when ingested.

I was reading this and I was thinking that if it's a poison to cat, it will also be a poison to fish or any animals.

Saponin - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Some saponins are toxic to cold-blooded organisms and insects at particular concentrations.[4]

Saponin - an overview | ScienceDirect Topics

www.sciencedirect.com

Oral toxicity of saponins in warm-blooded animals is relatively low due to its low absorption from the intestinal tract (opposite to high toxicity for most cold-blooded animals, e.g., fish).

Who knew. I knew it was toxic to dogs and cats BUT EVERYONE USES IT FOR FISH TANKS lol

But I do think this was indeed my problem.

Happy to report everyone has been perky all day, no laying down, sores are all gone, pop eye in the one guppy is improving

eatyourpeas · Oct 1, 2020

NCaquatics said:
Who knew. I knew it was toxic to dogs and cats BUT EVERYONE USES IT FOR FISH TANKS lol

But I do think this was indeed my problem.

Happy to report everyone has been perky all day, no laying down, sores are all gone, pop eye in the one guppy is improving
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So happy to know all is good! Every step we take is full of risks, and yet, when we get to enjoy these little beings, we are better for it. Got to love the little things in life!!!

AilyNC · Oct 2, 2020

NCaquatics said:
Who knew. I knew it was toxic to dogs and cats BUT EVERYONE USES IT FOR FISH TANKS lol

But I do think this was indeed my problem.

Happy to report everyone has been perky all day, no laying down, sores are all gone, pop eye in the one guppy is improving
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Do you've an underwater camera? :wub:

AdoraBelle Dearheart · Oct 2, 2020

Craycray said:
Can I ask why you have goldfish in with tropical fish? Their needs are so different. Idk if that has anything to do with but the variety of things in this tank has a variety of needs. Goldfish tolerate cooler water easily but not tropical fish.
sounds like something big is going on here. When my fish are less active it’s because the water is too cold. Staying close to the bottom is a clue but I’m not experienced enough to diagnose it.

NC already answered this on page four, please read the whole thread at least before criticising an experienced fish keeper who knows what she's doing.