Sin's Planted Tank Journal

It is both good and bad ShadowedSin. It means that your ammonia eating bacteria are becoming established and it also means that you are not changing nearly enough water to keep your guppies alive and healthy. It is one thing to treat them as sacrificial, something I won't do, but it is another to lose them before the end of the cycle and lose the small amount of ammonia that they are providing.

I use rain water in my tanks and can tell you that you need some tap water if you don't want the water to kill the fish. My rain water has total dissolved solids of less than 10 ppm which is even lower than what I see from my RO. Your choices are to to add in minerals by mixing the rain water with tap water or to add it in by mixing in a chemical mix designed for people who use straight RO water. There is a product called RO Right that is meant to be used that way but I only bought it once before I figured out that the minerals my RO took out could be blended back in by using some tap water.

Your 107 ppm is only about 5 or 6 degrees of hardness so it is already fairly soft in terms of KH. The problem that I see with what you are doing is that to lower the KH, you are raising the TDS through the roof by adding chemicals. If you are going to try to do "soft water" fish, stop adding to your TDS to get there. Soft water fish like their water low in TDS, we call the water soft but what they really need is low mineral content. That can be accomplished much better by diluting the tank water with RO or rain water than by adding things to the water. The only way adding can help is if it causes the natural minerals in the water to precipitate and thus leaves behind lower TDS water. I don't know of aquarium chemicals made to cause that to happen although it is something practiced by water companies who start with extremely high TDS water.
 
Before Water Change:

Ph: 6.8 - Same as Yesterday, within my needed average!
Ammonia: 0 ppm - Very good!
Nitrites: 1.0 ppm < Ugh, GO DOWN!
Nitrates: 10ppm < Seems to be dropping

I did decide to do a water change, and from what I am reading, it REALLY seems that the Nitrates have dropped considerably.. The Nitrites have spiked since wednesday, and I'm going to start as, I said in the above post, 30% water changes once every few days, with tests done on my gourami tank either daily or once every two days.

To me that I might be ready to introduce a pleco soon! (I have some pest snails, and I need something to eat algae and munch their eggs.)

The guppies are fine, 3 fry who are subsisting off my plants, and all seven are accounted for!

After Water Change:

Ph: 7.0
Ammonia: 0 ppm
Nitrites: .25 ppm
Nitrates: 0

Should I test after and before each water change or just before? Because I want to make these tests last.

I'll let the tank sit for a day and see how it changes. So far it could introduce a set of spiketail gouramis, since all areas within safe params.

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I would just test Before water changes..maybe wait an hour or two then test again.

Do pleco's really eat snail eggs?
you'd probably be better off just getting the snails out of their by catching them.
you'll also need to feed a pleco vegetables, the algae in a tank is rarely enough for them to live off.

Don't introduce more fish till ammonia and nitrite are zero. even then you should wait about a week, just to make sure it's stabilized and could handle more fish.

good luck, can't wait for it to be over so we can see these fish! they aren't very common.
 
My plan is that if the nitrites can be managed by water change, then I might get the Pleco's soon. However I'm still trying to decide on a species. Mostly I want something that can keep the tank and plants clean!

Ph: 6.8
Ammonia: 0 ppm
Nitrites: .25 ppm
Nitrates: 10

Seems like it's lining up nicely.
 
My plan is that if the nitrites can be managed by water change, then I might get the Pleco's soon. However I'm still trying to decide on a species. Mostly I want something that can keep the tank and plants clean!

Ph: 6.8
Ammonia: 0 ppm
Nitrites: .25 ppm
Nitrates: 10

Seems like it's lining up nicely.


pleco's are messy fish, they will add a lot to the bioload. and it's really not worth adding them while nitrites are not zero yet, it will just make your nitrites and possibly ammonia spike, and delay the cycle.

the nitrite nuetralizing bacteria grows much slower than the ammonia eaters ha. so if you can wait like a week or so it'd be much better for the fish and completing the cycle.

with a tank that size you're somewhat limited with plecos, you gotta find one that's not gonna get huge. bristlenose, rubbernose (or rubberlip) are good. there's some others also.

also malaysian trumpet snails are pretty handy, as long as you can keep their population under control.
 
I'm thinking a smaller pleco or even a group of Cory's. The type of fish I have in my community tank and the kind I'm looking art are Pitbull Plecos. They're small VERY hardy and are very good at cleaning up algae. Between the two I have in my 45 gallon, my Albino cory and my two loachs, the tank is sparkling! And they're a small fish 2.4 inches max, perfect company for my future gouramis^^

Before Water Change:

Ph: 6.6
Ammonia: 0 ppm
Nitrites: .25 ppm
Nitrates: 10

After Water Change:

Ph: 6.6
Ammonia: 0 ppm
Nitrites: .25 ppm
Nitrates: 5

Excellent! I did let the water sit in the tank for 2 hours after change as suggested.

This is excellent^^
 
Bought three pitbulls today.

Bad news, the Spike tails are male only, seems the sparklings are in the same boat :/
 
Yup, basically I'm looking at Bolivian Ram's now.

The Pitbulls have insinuated themselves into the tank and seem to have fun eating off my plants. I did a water test of my tap water it has not nitrites present (good!). So there is no chance of my general water changes screwing with the cycle.
 
aw man what a bummer.

bolivians are very nice fish though, look for a m/f.

then you could add a school of something..maybe a small group of tiger barbs?? 6-8. they'd be great with bolivian rams...well i don't really know. but since the rams are cichlids and possibly a bit aggressive, the tiger barbs might be of equal temperment.
 
The girl at the LFS said that Rams like to have flighty like fish o the top to make them feel more at home. I'm considering a mid size schooler like a type of rasbora or a tetra.

The only problem with Ram's is that they are REALLY hard to sex and unless I can buy a pair right off the bat might be best for me to get a group and then let them pair off over time.

I do have 2 tanks, and my angels aren't that big. My community tank is 4ft long and could easily have a second pair of rams in it. So I am considering buying a group of Juvie rams. Or a type of Apisto cichild.

What do you think Ckutz?

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Did a water change, the Plecs are great BTW!

Pre Water Change Stats:

Ph: 6.6
Ammonia: 0 ppm
Nitrites: .125 ppm (Actually seems to be more of a .125, the color was a bit more bluish than lavender)
Nitrates: 5

Post Water change:

Ph: 6.6
Ammonia: 0 ppm
Nitrites: .125 ppm or 0 (Stupid blue color on the API nitrite test.)
Nitrates: 5

Seems that is almost done leveling off. I'm going to give it a few more days, if I see double 0s I'm going to DEFINITELLY start saving up for my fish (after I FINALLY pick a species) and then I'll decide on a day to get them.

What would be a good top water fish to go along with RAMS?
 
i have rummynose tetras with my kribensis. the kribs don't bother them at all..but they have a constant fued going with my gourami. i woudl say just about any tetra, bigger than a neon tera. i have harlequin rasbora in my 10 gal,and they are really nice, they get a bronze/reddish tint to them, and they all swim together a lot. but they might be a little on the small side for the rams

i think apistos are awesome, i can't get them around here, so i vote for them!! haha it might be easier to sex them, i'm not really sure. you'll just have to look up male and female pics a lot.

i know what you mean by being difficult to sex. i had the same problem with my kribs. in the tank they were in, they were all stressed out cause there was like 50 of them, and none of them were colored up. it even took the smaller one i got about 2 weeks to color up enough to tell she was female.
so it wouldn't be a bad idea to get like 4 of them maybe (does you lfs do returns?) once they are settled in your tank and less stressed they might color up more and relax and be easier to sex. then you could split them up, or take back the ones you don't want.

oh yea, rummynose tetras, are kinda tricky. people say they need an established tank, but mine had been going for about 2.5 months and it worked out. the tough part is acclimating them. if you can do this right, they should be fine. i lost 4 of my 6, i was really bummed..
 
Okay, that's it. I have stared at this same bloody color for the past 2 days. On the safe side I called it Nitrites = .125 now I'm calling it zero since it seems that it's so minute that it is zero. (Lighting in the house has made it so that both my parents have stated, it's 0).:crazy:

So anyways here's the daily test results - :eek:

Ph: 6.6
Ammonia: 0 ppm
Nitrites: 0 ppm or whatever (Waiting 2-3 days at least before setting a direct date for the Rams pick up.)
Nitrates: 10

Here's a tank Shot!
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One of my Pitbulls lazing around on a leaf!
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OH NO GODZILLA! Lol
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This guy I pulled off of an old bonzai tree fountain I had. He's a one armed asian Fisher men, I like to call him Marty :D. Plus he sits on the cave I made for my cichilds, looks like a Dolem.
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Current Stocking Set up.

3 Pitbull Plecos
3-5 Juvie Bolivian Rams

My ideas for Flighty Fish:
Madagascar Rainbow - Bedotia Geayi
Australian Blue Eyed Rainbow - Pseudomugil signifer

Though the amount of food requirements is kind of driving me away from the Rainbows. Not sure yet.

Blue Flame Tetra - Hyphessobrycon columbianus
Black Phantom Tetra - Megalamphodus megalopterus

What are some good top dwelling fish?
 

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