Q From The Misses

[raptorrex]

had a puffer for a "bit" lol. nipped every fin in sight, then it pi$$ed off the big silver dollar and ended up dead (sadly), having said that it should have been in brackish water, incorrect advics from the seller, they also said it was placid!!!!! i loved it too dawie22, but as with most love it ended in tears lol

 

[Dark_Lenne]

I am not against your puffer. They are lovely fish. But please be aware, that you fish know when you are in the room, and (in my experience) will not exhibit normal behavior when you are around. Hence the fact that your Puffer seems to be shy and placid. Things might not be the same when you are not around, particulaly at night time. My Zebra Danios are as good as gold during the day, but I know for a fact, as soon as I am not there and it is night time, they pick on my long finned fish. Having a larger school of them helps to kurb the aggresivness.

Unfortunatly, this would not be possible with your puffer.

I am only trying to help you. I hate to think of the needless death of aquarium fish. And unfortunatly, while your Puffer is in the wrong conditions this is certainly a possibility...

 

[a_lost_blonde]

It's pretty obvious what your problems are, but evidently you do not care about the welfare of your fish as you are ignoring everything people have been telling you. If you don't want to accept your problems, son't ask about them.

nitrite:0.3
nitrate:110

Water quality is an issue, nitrate is too high and nitrite should be 0. By adding more fish to a tank with Old Tank Syndrome (through neglect) you have caused a mini-cycle.

Volume and Frequency of water changes: hmm, this is a new-ish tank about 3 months now so had a couple, and was toped up a little this sunday

Again, you should be doing 25% water changes every week. Not every month.

Tank inhabitants:
1 GSP puffer (2 1/2 inchs), 6 small daneos, two brissel nose plecs one very baby, cymease fighter, 2 baby angels, oh and 2 drawf honey grarmey

You GSP should be in a brackish tank. That is the main problem, apart from aggression issues (which probably will happen, just becasue they haven't yet doesn't mean they won't). Probably issues with the betta, inc. fin nipping from other fish to him, and aggrssion from him to the other fish.

the tank is a 40 leter tank and the temp if no where near 40, its 26 (as of monday) and rarely changes much (apert from in very hot waether), the the only things to have been added to the tank are as follows: p

So, a 40l tank? Not gallons? If that's the case, the only fish you could possibly keep would be either the gouramis or the betta. It is too small for any of the other fish.

i suspect that the to fish are suffering from stress as they were added befor the the pump change and to move them to a seperate tank would be even more stress full (thats my opinion)....

I think 'stress' is a bit of an understatement... Bad water quality, compatability, tank size, and most likely other things not being taken into account.

Explanation for high nitrate== nice and easy== OVER FEEDING, i have pointed this out and explained, but by posting here i hope that she thinks im not mad....

I think it's a lot more than that... But I wonder why you are still overfeeding even though you know full well it is poisoning your fish...

sorry but why is EVERYONE so agest my puffer?!?!? she is lovely and dosnt take a blind bit of notice ot any of the other fish!! if something comes towards her she swims the other way!!

We're not against the puffer, we're against how you are keeping it.

and my water levels were doing great before the filter went and as darv said we put the old spones ect from the old fiter ointo the new to try help it along!

I doubt that if your feeding and water changing regime is as has already been said.

u've toldme i have bas taist in fish

No, we've told you you aren't keeping them properly and how to remedy that... And to research what you buy (if you had you wouldn't have ended up with the puffer).

even though they're all veyr happy to geather and nohtings been eaten!

Yet. It will do eventally.

Right.

My tank is 40 gallen, water is being sorted, changed ect, feeding has already been sorted. and Thank you so much for saying i'm So bad at keeping my fish,you hav'nt seen how my puffer is in the tank so dont say u know exstaly how she'll act. if you doing belive they're all happy and getting along come and see for ur self!

I'm greatfull for any help! but not when people get agressive.

 

[Dark_Lenne]

Come on! Please treat this situation as an adult. In my short and colorfull life I have met many people who have trouble accepting advice, particualy when they beleive they are doing alright.

At the end of the day, they are YOUR fish, and it up to you how you keep them. We are trying to offer you the benefit of our expertise and experience. It is up to your how you take that advice. But please do it in an adult manner.

 

[a_lost_blonde]

I am not against your puffer. They are lovely fish. But please be aware, that you fish know when you are in the room, and (in my experience) will not exhibit normal behavior when you are around. Hence the fact that your Puffer seems to be shy and placid. Things might not be the same when you are not around, particulaly at night time. My Zebra Danios are as good as gold during the day, but I know for a fact, as soon as I am not there and it is night time, they pick on my long finned fish. Having a larger school of them helps to kurb the aggresivness.

Unfortunatly, this would not be possible with your puffer.

I am only trying to help you. I hate to think of the needless death of aquarium fish. And unfortunatly, while your Puffer is in the wrong conditions this is certainly a possibility...

i know, and yeh i know she knows as she'll watch me, but theres no sign of her niping other fish, all were helthy when i brought and are same now (apart from the angel) whihc i may add is the first).

ALso tonight hwne i've got in from work the cymease fitter is looking a lot better (touch wood) but he's swimming round and not looking so stressed........

P.S at night i'm in the same room

Come on! Please treat this situation as an adult. In my short and colorfull life I have met many people who have trouble accepting advice, particualy when they beleive they are doing alright.

At the end of the day, they are YOUR fish, and it up to you how you keep them. We are trying to offer you the benefit of our expertise and experience. It is up to your how you take that advice. But please do it in an adult manner.

I'm greatfull for the advice, really i am. just dont need telling how bad i'm doing.

theres no feeding going, whihc people have said is gd ot cut down, and water changes.

i'm sorry if hav'nt come across in an adult maner, and no, i dont think i'm doing alright. but anywho lets just hope i can get the water bk to how it was........

 

[Tetras]

I'm sorry, i might be a newbee, and am still only asking questions, not offering advise, but i just had to respond to this

Why did you even bother posting anything, clearly you have no intention of actually following most of the advise, only defend yourself. People are actually sitting down taking the time to write to you and since you have made some mistakes with your tank, as everybody does in the beginning, you should be gratefull that you can undo the damage before it's to late.

The reason why people get upset is because they take fish keeping serious, and after reading the posts, the only negativity started coming from you, and sure people get ticked off. I would to if I had spent time writing to you, if you don't agree with the puffer situation, just write that info is noted and you will make a decision as to how to adress it, why go on and on about it.

And for future reference, your initial question would have been answered 100 times had you read through the posts before posting, then you would have known that you should check the water as the first thing. Those levels were out of whack and has been responded to so many times in this forum, as to what is normal/not normal water stats.

 

[catxx]

RO water isn't really suitable for fresh water fish unless you add minerals back into it. It's for Marine tanks really.

I'd just use tap water and dechlorinator and save yourself some money!

an experienced guide on keeping GSP Puffers

 

[a_lost_blonde]

RO water isn't really suitable for fresh water fish unless you add minerals back into it. It's for Marine tanks really.

I'd just use tap water and dechlorinator and save yourself some money!

an experienced guide on keeping GSP Puffers

cheers i was told this tonight at fish shop so i'm not useing tap water... even though they said ot use the RO in the first place lol. but doing that now thank you, also they gave me somthing, to help with the amoni in the watter and was told to put some more cycle in, so thank you for the advice

Thanks for all the help and about puffer has been noted just i said about her being dosile and kept being told it's wrong, maybe i was sticking up for my self but i did read and take note. so plz let it be a end. i'm just worryed about getting the levels right

 

[OohFeeshy]

Right.

My tank is 40 gallen, water is being sorted, changed ect, feeding has already been sorted. and Thank you so much for saying i'm So bad at keeping my fish,you hav'nt seen how my puffer is in the tank so dont say u know exstaly how she'll act. if you doing belive they're all happy and getting along come and see for ur self!

If you're going to quote the whole post (which there was no point on doing), at least get your quote tags right...

I'm greatfull for any help! but not when people get agressive.

No, you're not. I think that's another point that everyone who has posted on the thread is agreeing on, and I'm not being aggressive. You have completely ignored others who put your problems as nicely as possible, and I pride myself on being blunt and to the point. Which you don't seem to understand.

i know, and yeh i know she knows as she'll watch me, but theres no sign of her niping other fish

Did you completely miss the constant 'yet'? Many people have had puffers with other fish, obseved no aaggression then woken up one morning to find all the other fish dead. Sir Minion (methinks) has psoted somewhere graphic evidence of this, showing what a 1" dwarf puffer in a community tank suddenly decides to do to a large group of 2" tetras overnight.


And still, you do not get the main point with the puffer.

IT SHOULD BE KEPT IN BRACKISH WATER. BRACKISH IS NOT FRESH WATER. IT IS WATER WITH MARINE SALT IN IT. YOUR OTHER FISH ARE NOT BRACKISH AND NEITHER IS YOUR TANK. TO QUOTE FROM THE TFF PROFILE ON THESE FISH-

Care: They are brackish fish, that many people have success with in full marine. A sand substrate is prefferred. I personally use crushed coral sand, as they enjoy a pH, of around 8.0, which is slightly alkaline. Crushed coral sand gives off a higher ph slowly, and with these fish it is nothing to worry about! Minimum tank size of around 30 gallons for one - yes this might seem hypocritical coming from me, but I will get a larger tank for them.
They are aggressive fish, as all puffers are and should not be kept with anything else. I keep two juveniles and they are becoming incresingly more agressive. Only one per tank, or a large tank. There has been a small amount of success with keeping more than one in a tank.

 

[a_lost_blonde]

okay apoigy time, i'm sorry i hav'nt been quoteing properly, i'm new here and hav'nt worked out quite how it all works, i'll tr rehome the GSP, or the other fish. i'm sorry i've upset u all and not made out that i've taken any advice. but i am doing water changes ect as advised. i guess i should leave now.

again thank you for all the help, time and advice

 

[SamUK]

no need to leave


u jus have to understand that we all love fish here so if someone is keeping them wrong or doing something wrong then there bound to get told about it.



if anyone has been aggressive (altho i dont think they have) its because we get people like yourself posting here everyday and half of them wont listen even when they ask questions.

for that reason we kinda have a short fuse.

kinda like the kid who cried wolf.

 

[a_lost_blonde]

fair enought i understand that. but i did lisen hence why i'd doing the required (which was adviced by the above) if i didnt lisen i wouldnt be doing .


and was going really wel until the old pump blow up lol

 

[Dark_Lenne]

No dont leave! Come back and let us know how you are doing!

Im pretty new here myself, but not to using forums, which is an art in itself. There is a term coined by "them", and it is known as "netiquette".

You should look it up... It basically advise you how to use these forums properly. You did come off as very ungratefull, which here on the Internet can never be good for you. People, especially forum regulars are here to help and take great pride in knowing they have helped. I know I do. Its a shame when a helper is treated poorly.

Like you said, you are new here. We are offering friendly advice. Please don't take this forum as an unfriendly place to be, because it isn't. I have recieved much help here and I'm sure you will too.

Fish have very strange temprements. And they DO have personality which varies from fish to fish. You might be lucky. And you might be right. You might have a very docile puffer fish. But the damage they can do is incredible. Even though they are very little. If you ask me, he is sizing your other fish up. And it wouldnt be strange for him to go straight for your angel. Your Angel is whats known as a cychlid. Not really community fish, but a lot of people have luck... He probally would have made himself the dominant fish in the tank. A puffer could take out an Angel. With no problem at all.

I hope you have luck, and come back to see us soon...

Sir Minion (methinks) has psoted somewhere graphic evidence of this, showing what a 1" dwarf puffer in a community tank suddenly decides to do to a large group of 2" tetras overnight.

Do you have a link to this horror story? It sounds like interesting reading....

 

[a_lost_blonde]

Sir Minion (methinks) has psoted somewhere graphic evidence of this, showing what a 1" dwarf puffer in a community tank suddenly decides to do to a large group of 2" tetras overnight.

Do you have a link to this horror story? It sounds like interesting reading....
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if there is a link let me know and i'll read. if maybe u could email it? anywho i'm off for a while take care

and again i'm sorry i came over ungreatfull. bad start i guess.

 

[Dark_Lenne]

That what second chances are for. Good luck with your Puffer...