My male betta with babies!

[yeeviabetta]

Wou. This getting off hands here. Well, fisherman, you don't have to attack people like that. My breeding works and I have a bunch of uncount fries in my hatching babies this batch. My second batch Red halfmoon just hatching yesterday and the father is doing his job great. Better than the first from my observation.
Sorry for my english as a third languages afterall. Somehow, there still got one scientific article about the betta saliva in the internet but I can't find it right now for you. I have been through so many researching in last 6 months. Maybe you need to do some finding if you really want to know more rather attacking for making people to do your job. That is a cheap skunk!
If you doesn't buy it, just drop it. Sorry for my language!
I just give you a basic example about the milk from the mother to the baby and it is not the saliva becoming a milk. It is the transfering immune system from the cell body code gene from the parent that I want to mention about. Milk powder don't have the body code gene we need. Saliva do have enzyme coding gene and that is how they transfer. Besides, the saliva can protect from bacteria infection because of the saliva enzyme. If you did study nutrition, then you know what I am talking about.
OK. Oh, the male I took out last night. He is flaring with the female he been mating with. Wou! see how funny the betta is? He feels great after being a successful father.

 

[yeeviabetta]

Do I have to show more prove, Bettaman? I have my batches as proved.

 

[Shark_Lover]

those are beautiful pics!!

 

[Bettaman]

sorry if you feel were attacking were not as i said glad it works for you i have tried it and it didn't for me and would not recommend people that haven't had breeding experience to leave the male once the fry start swimming, i have done a lot of reading over 30 years and sorry haven't come across that one yet find it look in your history on your PC if it is some thing scientific then I'm all up for a good read and maybe try again if its something i did wrong but as i said i lost a whole batch of fry but at least i have tried it I'm not saying i haven't, I'm sure if it was something successful they would be doing it in South Asia were most breeders are and i haven't found a site yet that mentions it you keep breeding your way as it works for you, we all know there are new things to learn i have 30 yrs of learning behind me and still hungry for more, please don't think i was having a go just making a point it didn't work for me and would not and can not recommend it having tried it........... and i have five successful spawns this month and all doing well and my male go back flaring at the female straight away they don't pine for the young and most are in for probably four days after hatching whenill take him out as all fry are free swimming....

 

[yeeviabetta]

One false doesn't mean it is not working. You work from there. You might have to see what is wrong there. You have to find the solutions. If the male eat the babies, then you have to think did you scare him? Or did he been eating? Or is he hiding somewhere all the babies? Or maybe the male is not normal. Maybe you might tried another male. There are so many possibility. That is why in my opinion is that why so many bettas don't know how to breed right. I even read the Betta care and Husbandry that even you bought a pair of betta in thailand from top breeder for $300.00 and don't think they will breed for you. Because they took out the father too quickly and that is my part opinion. Somehow in the line, the babies need to be parenthood in my thought.
They are so many give and take when I choose this method. Many to count if you like to know. Finally, I end up letting the male takingcare of the babies for a week to 10 days. I will still want to observe what the siblings babies will do in the future.
That is all I want to add. No hard feelings. Afterall, we just sharing our experience informations.

 

[Bettaman]

Hey come on dont get me wrong i would like to know more if there is something here that works as i said i wait four days before i take miy male out so what happens in six days, for instance what size tank do you use, as when i tried it it was a small tank now i use 10 gallon, at the time i thought it maybe something to do with the size of the tank, and prehaps the volume of the water, like the father thought that all would not survive so he started to cull himself with he weakest, but then he went to far and the rest died anyway, i have read of people leaving them in and then putting in another female to start another spawn (my research) lets face it if your feeding him he dont need conditioning so he will be ready to go, i have females that help build the nest they start the spawning it could be that this is something that really need looking into and documenting every thing you do what times you feed when you change water that is the way not just to say told you guys to leave the male in the fry tanks, i must conclude that no two bettas are alike. They differ from each other as much as different as you and me differ.
and i would say to employ this method successfully, one must have a large breeding area? also, fathers must be well-nourished with food to prevent cannibalism to the fries? and i think these were my failings, when i tried it but who knows if you can document somthing with facts and figures then i may try again, but at the moment i cant afford the space to loose fry to a father who is great but not that great

 

[yeeviabetta]

Good. We can share opinion and who knows we going to get famous one day. LOL
Well, OK. back to what size I work with. Yes. I am using 5 gallon eclipes acylic tank for the red halfmoon. I think I like 5 gallon better.
I was using a ten gallon tank for the picture I posted up. Actually, they are two batches of breeding at that time. Both first time breeding. Rosetail red gold halhmoon pair, but the female is bigger than the male and only 10 to 20 eggs been squeezed out in 8 hours of humping. The other section is the one I posted in the picture. He is a killer but he is a man now. He kill my MG crowntail female and blind a copper gold halfmoon female. So I tried again with a petmart female (cheap but do look like him too) to let him have the experience. He is a great fancy red gold mask halfmoon. After both did hatch, I think some of the babies did swim over to the other side too and all mixed up. Anyway, this is the experiment because both males never breed before, I just took out the other male after 3 days and take out the divider. So I just let the other male to take care of. That male didn't know those are not his babies. LOL So he taking care all of them.
Yes, I do fill up the tank with water to the top. More rooms to swim too. I do agreed with you. More room is better. If you observe everyday, you will laugh at the male because how he baby sitting is so funny. Oh yeah, make sure you let the male know that you are not harming the babies or him too. He has to trust you too then he will have no problems to let you get close to the tank. All my 4 males breeder knows me and they will look at me if I am close to the tank. If they want to eat, you can see their reaction, food food. I feed them too like normal meal when they starting want to eat. Just get used to the schedule feeding time. Normally at four days after hatching, the male started to eat. Also depends how long the pair take place too. If two days, then he will want the food earlier. I know one of my male don't want to eat until seven days. He getting skinner after all and I can tells he didn't eat at all from the look at his body and his tummy. He is the oldest one that breed 3 times before. He is expert! He is a breeder when I got it from a freebie. His tail all torn up badly and wanting to dead. I saved him and he is doing great now.
Yes, I have better luck to raise the babies when they are 10 days old. Big and know how to eat right. Always swimming on the top and between. Some when down to find food and I like that. I think the father has train them to be up on the surface and swimming. Since he keep diving down to pick up the sitting babies and then dive up to the surface and blow all the babies out. Not like 2 days old babies and they are painful to take care. Dying! Errr... Father is so much better and I don't have to worried. LOL That is the truth. All I just have to feed the babies the right schedules.
After 3 weeks old in the hatching tank, I just count one by one (hahaha)and move them to 20 gallon new tank. That is it. Ohhh!!! Apple snails are great! They are so helpful! They are the maid for the tank! They are great cleaner. LOL OK. This is for today! My 2 dozen 1 gallon tank arrived and I have to do my job.

 

[Bettaman]

OK interesting.................to be continued

 

[yeeviabetta]

Wou! look at this! Hahahaha
http/www.aquabid.com/cgi-bin/auction/auc...aswt&1105507730

He wrote " These bettas are special, they can all, male and female, live together in one big tank. They don't fight with each other so u don't have to worry about rivals among them. Its also very efficient because that helps u save room and much easier to feed, change water, or anything else u want. I'm selling 30 of them for $30 + $6 box fee. U pay for the shipping. They are all full grown and not shy, females are full of eggs. ~Warning: U can't put any other bettas in or else these bettas will gang up and tease or even kill it. These 30 can only live with eachother and none other bettas. "


What do you guys think? Crank all your brain? LOL
I think the bettas are nipping each other. Look at the bottom one tail. Got bite off. LOL

 

[Bettaman]

I think as soon as he takes them away from each other to ship them the new owner will have major problems trying to reestablish what he has done, you only see a few and i can see nipped fins there so what do some of the others look like a few more damaged fins i expect........and a lot of fighting.

 

[Bettaman]

going back to the leaving the father in i have some red Hm that are in the spawn tank right now i am going to split the spawn so take some fry out and leave him with the rest and do an experiment on the difference i will feed and do water changes-in both tanks, tank will be exactly the same size 2ft and see what happens, i just took a male out today as well so if you had posted yesterday i could have tried with him he was in 5 days..........i will keep you posted need them to spawn first but both ready this will be the 6th this month, so i can give this one the testing it needs,

 

[yeeviabetta]

I didn't know you into this like me. Yeah, try it. LOL Left the babies there and don't take it out! They will be fine. Halfmoon right? Makesure to feed the father. If he don't want to eat, just let him there. Day by day until he will take it, then you have to feed him like normal. I just post my red halfmoon in the other post. Something very weird with the red halfmoon. This is the second time he breed. He is more organized than last time. It seems like he know what to do like experience. He didn't eat unfertilized eggs and just laid all at one bottom side. He even distributing the bubbles up so he can see better too. The babies are a lot. Can't even count. Yes, this male has been in the breeding tank for 10 days and I count my babies one by one and I got 250 plus.(some I didn't count because it is too small and will not make it). Check it out.

 

[Bettaman]

im not, just if somthing works ill try it im just interested in what happen in the extra days that you leave the fish in around 5 to 6 days ,well he is building, a nest i find if a fish wont spawn i let him fight for a while with another male, just for about three minutes most of it is flaring and circling then take the other male out he thinks he has won and claims his prize and they usually build massive bubble nests o and a tip to keep fry off the bottom is to get some daphnia just a little bigger than the fry and they will chase them so staying off the bottom they will capture them when they are able too thats quit funny watching them ambush the little things they chase them and let them get away them when the daphnia slow down they sneak up and pounce funny

 

[yeeviabetta]

Bettaman. I took my Red halfmoon out today because I have too. He is sick from exhaustion takingcare of the babies. He kindly hardly moved now and just stay still. i took him out the breeding tank and condition him.. He didn't eat the unfertilized eggs and I can tell he been working so hard and eat nothing. All his babies are in good condition but they are kind of tiny. I hope I can raise the babies this size. I think they are 4 days old. I will try my best to raise them since they all are red halfmoon. How is yours going? OK?

 

[Bettaman]

nothing yet dont think female likes him......leave them long enough she will still in cup so havnt let her out again yet, dont want her to get damaged, will see how it goes this week, usally happens when im not there back to work tomorrow so will let them get on with it......