My Fish Laying At Bottom

[STEVEUKGUY]

My 2 FanTail fish are laying at bottom or the tank, in 1 corner, bottom of where the filter is..
They dont seem to move unless i feed them. Is this normal.? are they just resting.? been like this 2 days now.Anythink i should do.

Also i gave my fish a slice of cuecumber instead of the normal fish food and they didnt seem to like it, so i gone back to normal food once a day, i thought fish liked cuecumber,well thats what ive read, and seen on google videos..

 

[coldcazzie]

Oh dear.

Any chance you bought a test kit when you were at the shop? It's very likely that your fish are suffering from ammonia poisoning.

Did you read the cycling threads in the beginners section like was suggested in your previous thread? That will answer your question I think.

Also - some fish like cucumber, others don't.

 

[STEVEUKGUY]

Oh dear.

Any chance you bought a test kit when you were at the shop? It's very likely that your fish are suffering from ammonia poisoning.

Did you read the cycling threads in the beginners section like was suggested in your previous thread? That will answer your question I think.

Also - some fish like cucumber, others don't.

im ordering a test kit today from Ebay as i cant get out to buy one due to illness.
I read the cycling but found it a little confuzing, i look at it again later.

 

[STEVEUKGUY]

TEST KIT. im going to order one of these, as i cant afford a exspenive one right now this is £7:25 inc P+P

Ebay fish Test kit
will this be ok, it check for any ammonia poisoning..

question .if there is any ammonia poisoning, how do i treat it.??? im new rember and find the cycling a little confuzing for my brian.lol

 

[danb]

get an api test masterkit, i got one off the next for around £16 but that will do all the tests you need but will do about 100 atleast, tests of each.

That one your about to buy is a waste of money compared to the api master test kit.

Do a water change though! How long has the tank been setup? What temp? Size of tank? Stocking? Filter? etc

 

[STEVEUKGUY]

get an api test masterkit, i got one off the next for around £16 but that will do all the tests you need but will do about 100 atleast, tests of each.

That one your about to buy is a waste of money compared to the api master test kit.

Do a water change though! How long has the tank been setup? What temp? Size of tank? Stocking? Filter? etc

Tank been setup just under 1 week.
Not sure of size and amount of water, but here is a picture.

All it has inside is 1 filter, Gravel, 1 Water Plant, a stone turtle.
Feed them a small pinch of food in morning and 1 at night,, i did put a chunk of cuecumber in the other day and miss out the normal flake feeding for 1 whole day, but as they didnt seem to be intrested in the cuecumber i removed it and went back to flake feeding... I was thinking of trying peas, but wife not done shopping yet.

I cant afford £16 at this time, so i may just have to go for the cheaper test kit for now and get a better one later.

 

[danb]

Is it goldfish you have or tropical fish?

You need to do a large water change, maybe 50% or so just now and the same tomorrow. You may need to continue doing that untill your test kit arrives so you can monitor the tank on a daily basis. Someone with more experience may be able to tell you better, but if i were you and the fish are in an uncycled tank, i would be doing large water changes each day. Make sure you add water conditioner though.

 

[STEVEUKGUY]

Is it goldfish you have or tropical fish?

You need to do a large water change, maybe 50% or so just now and the same tomorrow. You may need to continue doing that untill your test kit arrives so you can monitor the tank on a daily basis. Someone with more experience may be able to tell you better, but if i were you and the fish are in an uncycled tank, i would be doing large water changes each day. Make sure you add water conditioner though.

they are Fantails. as shown in photo. guy told me they are Fresh water fish.?

ive just did a 50% wather change as you said, took half out the tank and put in half clean, i also added some AquaSafe For goldfish with BioExtract into the fresh water, i added half a cap as said by the shop guy when chaging water.

do i need to do this every day.??? Seems like it did not differance to the fish they did move around a little while doing water, not thats done they gone back to ground, sitting under the filter. Should the filter be under the water chucking out a heafty spray or just above the water.?? As the filter sprout/pipe is under water, not half way as ive seen some on images.

ok i think they was just having a long rest, as they both moving around a lot more now..

 

[fishnovice]

I've observed the symptoms you describe in fish I've rescued from filthy tanks with very high ammonia levels. In spite of long term exposure to toxins they eventually recovered after a few days in clean water. You can save your fish with water changes -I've managed to do this several times with goldfish and currently with rescued gourami.

You are doing a fish in cycle so you MUST do big water changes EVERY day. I recommend 50% daily, reducing to 30% after a week when fish recover then maybe 30% on alternate days for a month (or till your new test kits says ammonia levels are zero). After this a 25-30% water change once a week should be enough. RE READ the Fish=In Cycling advicein My First Tank Section, Good luck!

 

[Jenste]

for two fantails you need a 40 gallon tank AT LEAST!!! goldfish are CARP and grow extremely large!!! they are massive waste producers who need 2X filtration at least to handle the amount of ammonia they produce!

your tank looks like a 10 gallon / 15 gallon and is grossly overstocked - - not even one goldfish could live a healthy life in a tank that size.

you either need to return the fish and research before you buy or get a larger tank. to keep those fish in that tank is exceptionally cruel .... I do not want to come off as harsh but am only thinking of the welfare of the living things you chose to be responsible for.

 

[Harlequins]

I agree with jenste,you tank it not suitable for the goldfish,it would be kinder in the long run to return the fish,or has suggested buy a very large tank...

 

[Curiosity101]

Guys, check his other post. You're just repeating all the information given their.

In short SteveUK.

Neither tank is cycled.

Ammonia is poisoning the fish! It does this by burning their gills.

First they will become quiet and then they will start gasping at the surface.

The only way to remove it is to do lots of big water changes. You may or may not save them.
Now you don't need to understand ppm (parts per million), but just think of it as concentration (as that's what it is).
Lets say your ammonia is at 2ppm (which is deadly, though yours will probably be higher).
You need to get it down to less than 0.25 for them to stand a chance of recovering.
If it was 2ppm you'd need to do...
1 x 80% water change, ammonia would now be 80% less than it was (as you just removed 80% of the water). So ammonia would be 0.4ppm
Then you'd need to do 50% to get it down to 0.2ppm

I reckon yours will be around 10ppm IN BOTH TANKS! So you need to pretend that is what the value is, and do water changes until it's down to a safe level IN BOTH TANKS. (an 80% change followed by 80% change followed by 50% change).

What I've put there is basically what fish in cycling is.
Ammonia gets too high, then you do a water change to get it down.

Seriously...we all told you what would happen by keeping them in those tanks! Well now you're actually seeing it happening. I know I can't tell you what to do, but please rehome those fish.
If you can't take them back to the shop then advertise them here on the classifieds or on aquarist classifieds or on gumtree...just please get them into suitable accommodation.

Just to add about the test kit by the way...it'll do for testing ammonia yes. But the API master kit only costs around £18 on ebay. So that's £11 more for 4 Different test kits that last well over a year!

The kit you have here wont last more than a month with a fish in cycling situation cause you have to test the water daily. 25 tests = 25days.

 

[STEVEUKGUY]

SAD NEWS.. one of fan Tails Died today.. Reason i think was the other one was just a bully, it kepted chaseing and biting it,
went out to visit the bathroom around 2am this morning, the bathroom is on the fround floor of our house, we have to go through the living room to the back where the fish are kepted, i just decided to check the fish quickly to see how they was and i saw that one ofthe fantails was updiade down,near the filter, so i put him in a bowl of water and put it in my room to keep an eye on it, it started to float on it's belly this time, but at closer look at the fish i could see, small bits of blood on its side, im sure this is where the other fantail was biring it.

It seem to be having a little difulcuty in swimming and looked as if it was gasping for air, even tho it was about able to get to he top of the water, but was very unbalanced.
I thought it might pull through, but when i woke up about 4 hours later it was laying on it's side, and not breathing, i put in a small stick and gave it a very gental budge, but nothink, it seemed to be dead, so i had no choice in flushing it down the toilet.

My other fantail seems ok, but has a few white spots on the tail, i hope that this one one die, as if it does i wont get anymore fantails agian, if it dies i will only get normal gold fish or some other kinda fish. I have ordered off ebay a Test kit, im waiting on that now, im going to stop feeding my other fantail for a couple of days, well the flake food, im going to buy some PEAs today and try that, But hoiw do i feed the peas to it.

Do i cook the peas then peal them and give it the meat inside, or do i just defrost the peas and give it to him without cooking it. also how many peas do i give him daily,and how many days do i give hime peas for...What if he dont eat thepeas,what do i feed him then. I tried cueCumber and they didnt even touch it..

I did goto the shop where i got the fish from and the guy dont work there anymore ,and they say i cant take the fish back coa they say it down to him to ok for t he fish to be returned as as this guy who sold me the fish dont work there im kinda at a lost.

so any other help will be greatfull, and yes ive read the cycling info, im still a little confuzed on it, ive done a 50% water change to yesterday,befor the other fish was removed, should i do another 500% water change again today.??

Steve

 

[england]

Hey bud, where are you located? try to find a media donor to help cylce your tank along, ive only glanced over, the other tanks much bigger correct?

could you not add this surviver with you other goldfish?

i have a tank like this and here's my stocking

1male/1 female dwarf puffers
my little tank

 

[england]

oh yes forgot the media donation list

Mature media list