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Losing Fish Rapidly Need Help Please!
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Miss Wiggle
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have you had your water tests results confirmed by another test kit firstly. wierd problems that are this serious it's worth doing a double check, take a sample of water to the lfs for testing and post the results here. test kits can go off or become contaminated without you realising so there is the possibility that there's something up with your levels and your test kits just lying to you. not that likely but worth considering.
i would suspect that the finrot is a secondary infection not your primary concern, when fish are stressed or unwell they can often pick up something like finrot or whitespot just from their immune system being low.
as the fish are dying so quickly you need a strong med, without a proper diagnosis (and without any real symptoms it's nigh on impossible to diagnose) adding any strong med to the tank is a risk, if it's the wrong med it could kill them. Unfortunately sometimes a diseases just does wipe out the tank and can't really be stopped, i've had it before, whole tank of angels died within a week, no symptoms until just before they died and no med touched them. Don't mean to be negative but you should be aware of the possibilities and consequences.
Are you doing regular water changes to make sure the water is in tip top condition?
i would suspect that the finrot is a secondary infection not your primary concern, when fish are stressed or unwell they can often pick up something like finrot or whitespot just from their immune system being low.
as the fish are dying so quickly you need a strong med, without a proper diagnosis (and without any real symptoms it's nigh on impossible to diagnose) adding any strong med to the tank is a risk, if it's the wrong med it could kill them. Unfortunately sometimes a diseases just does wipe out the tank and can't really be stopped, i've had it before, whole tank of angels died within a week, no symptoms until just before they died and no med touched them. Don't mean to be negative but you should be aware of the possibilities and consequences.
Are you doing regular water changes to make sure the water is in tip top condition?
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results have been double checked, water changes up to date and water is pristine.
i dont know what the primary infection could be as there are no other symptoms!
i really dont know what to do im stumped
i dont know what the primary infection could be as there are no other symptoms!
i really dont know what to do im stumped
I think there more going off than the finrot.
If some harley are thin I think you might be dealing with internal parasites which cause bacterial infections on top.
If a guppy died first you can get it had internal parasites as I never bought one yet that didn't produce long stringy white poo.
Smell your tank water to see what it smell like.
It should smell like an earthy peaty smell.
But if the tank has a bad bacteria infection it can smell like sulphur to rotten eggs.
If some harley are thin I think you might be dealing with internal parasites which cause bacterial infections on top.
If a guppy died first you can get it had internal parasites as I never bought one yet that didn't produce long stringy white poo.
Smell your tank water to see what it smell like.
It should smell like an earthy peaty smell.
But if the tank has a bad bacteria infection it can smell like sulphur to rotten eggs.
Miss Wiggle
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have you tried asking your local vet?
they won't all be able to help but it's worth finding out if any of them know a bit about fish. I've hunted around and make sure I have contact details of a local vet who can help with fishy matters if need be. worth a shot as the vast majority of us are amatuers, they are professionals.
If it was my tank, I would take a chance on what it is a try a stronger med, something like protazion. as i said before, risky without a diagnosis but unless you can give us anything else to go on (symptoms etc) then you're unlikely to get a diagnosis.
An alternative is to do salt water baths.
do small daily water changes, feed some fishy 'super foods' like peas and brine shrimp in garlic (garlic is strangley very good for fishies immune system) and just study the fish as much as possible to see if you get any other symptoms that you haven't spotted.
they won't all be able to help but it's worth finding out if any of them know a bit about fish. I've hunted around and make sure I have contact details of a local vet who can help with fishy matters if need be. worth a shot as the vast majority of us are amatuers, they are professionals.
If it was my tank, I would take a chance on what it is a try a stronger med, something like protazion. as i said before, risky without a diagnosis but unless you can give us anything else to go on (symptoms etc) then you're unlikely to get a diagnosis.
An alternative is to do salt water baths.
do small daily water changes, feed some fishy 'super foods' like peas and brine shrimp in garlic (garlic is strangley very good for fishies immune system) and just study the fish as much as possible to see if you get any other symptoms that you haven't spotted.
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rocknurworld2006
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already treating with protozin at the moment half way through treatment.
Miss Wiggle
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tried salt baths?
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rocknurworld2006
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no how do you do them and which fish will i do it on??
Miss Wiggle
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do a search on this forum for posts about salt bath's from nmonks, he really knows his stuff and i remember him posting some good instructions, be a good few months ago now but they should turn up in a search.
i think the basics are
mix up some salt water as you would for a marine tank (if you haven't a marine tank and the stuff to do it them go to a fish shop that sells marine fish and ask for some pre-mixed salt water) put this in a spare tank (or decent sized bowl if you've no spare tanks) heat it up to the temp of your tank. Net your fish and put them in the salt water, leave them a few minutes then net them out and put them back in the normal tank.
this is an invasive treatment and your fish may well be distressed, the theory behind it is that your fish can survive in salt water for a short period of time, many 'bad' bacteria can also survive but for a significantly shorter period of time. so the bacteria die off before the fish become seriously affected.
it's not nice but it can work.
i think the basics are
mix up some salt water as you would for a marine tank (if you haven't a marine tank and the stuff to do it them go to a fish shop that sells marine fish and ask for some pre-mixed salt water) put this in a spare tank (or decent sized bowl if you've no spare tanks) heat it up to the temp of your tank. Net your fish and put them in the salt water, leave them a few minutes then net them out and put them back in the normal tank.
this is an invasive treatment and your fish may well be distressed, the theory behind it is that your fish can survive in salt water for a short period of time, many 'bad' bacteria can also survive but for a significantly shorter period of time. so the bacteria die off before the fish become seriously affected.
it's not nice but it can work.
Read this we need to rule it out.
http
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http
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Taken a look through the thead again to see if we have missed anything.
Not much to go on apart from the fins and finrot can be a secondary infection.
Going to just look into flukes as they are a big killer as well, eye flukes, gill flukes, skin flukes.
Signs of flukes are.
Being thin, lethagic, flicking and rubbing against objects, laboured breathing, red inflamed to bleeding gills, or pale gills with excess mucas on them, spitting food out, sores on the body of the fish, opaque body, swimming in a jerky movement.
Flukes cause bacterial infections.
Not much to go on apart from the fins and finrot can be a secondary infection.
Going to just look into flukes as they are a big killer as well, eye flukes, gill flukes, skin flukes.
Signs of flukes are.
Being thin, lethagic, flicking and rubbing against objects, laboured breathing, red inflamed to bleeding gills, or pale gills with excess mucas on them, spitting food out, sores on the body of the fish, opaque body, swimming in a jerky movement.
Flukes cause bacterial infections.
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rocknurworld2006
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no its definately not the worms thing
syptoms are
1) pure white tips on every fin of rainbow fish and rotting(all raggedy)
2)they are thin
3)inflamed gills
female betta is shown signs of lethargic not swimming muuch
what does it mean by laboured breathing & opague body
also what you mean by swimming in jerky movement?
syptoms are
1) pure white tips on every fin of rainbow fish and rotting(all raggedy)
2)they are thin
3)inflamed gills
female betta is shown signs of lethargic not swimming muuch
what does it mean by laboured breathing & opague body
also what you mean by swimming in jerky movement?
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whats your stats i and i will ask this question again
dose any body smoke in the same room
is any one using an air freshener spray or plug in type
as any one used carpet freshener or any thing like that
how often do you do water changes
and what size is your tank
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dose any body smoke in the same room
is any one using an air freshener spray or plug in type
as any one used carpet freshener or any thing like that
how often do you do water changes
and what size is your tank
biff
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rocknurworld2006
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stats are all fine no problems
nobody smokes inroom or air freshners or anything like that
70 litre tank
weekly 10-20% water changes!
nobody smokes inroom or air freshners or anything like that
70 litre tank
weekly 10-20% water changes!
Are the gills red and inflamed as that points to gill flukes if the water quality is good, also fish can go thin with flukes.
Any signs of flicking and rubbing as thats a big sign.
Fish will flukes will have labour breathing or breathing quicker.
being opaque mean pale body with excess slime being produced.
Fish with flukes will swim in a jerky movement.
Any signs of flicking and rubbing as thats a big sign.
Fish will flukes will have labour breathing or breathing quicker.
being opaque mean pale body with excess slime being produced.
Fish with flukes will swim in a jerky movement.
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