Kids Right's, Fish Rights...

[catxx]

What about if the said independant adult wants to go on a 5 week holiday? Not many people are gonig to deny themselves breaks becasue of their fish. It's plenty easy to find people to look after them- plenty of nitrate absorbing stuff around if ned be, or if not, only two or so water changes are nessecary, there are automatic feeders, gadgets that make water changes easier if need be... It's not rocket science.

what adult gets 5 weeks off work? i want to work where they work! i only get 20 days a year. and i do deny myself time away from home because of fish. i never see my parents, one lives on the otherside of the country anyway. i'm rambling again.

Very true, but unless you are unlucky enough to share a room with a sibling (and haven't got around to selling them off as a chimmney sweep yet), your bedroom is still your space whether it's in a house owned by you or not. You get to choose your own decorating scheme, your own furniture (generally), whatever other objects you keep in your room (ie,TVs video players etc) generally as long as you buy it.

that does not apply to every child in the country though now does it. some parents are stricter than others. and that room in the house, despite it being "your" space, still belongs to your parents and you're not paying rent for it. (at least not until you're 18 and your parents want to get rid of you anyway). if you decide to paint it purple and cram it full of fish tanks, thats fine, for the few odd years until you go to college, possibly to never move back, now your parents want to get rid of all your belongings and turn your room in to a spare room, what happens to all your beloved fish with a 8-20 year lifespan? just fob them back off to an LFS? thats not really a commitment to fishkeeping, thats fishkeeping for when it suits you.

this isn't the real argument though, the law itself is simple to have the child (because thats what under 16s are) accompanied by an adult (now whether this has to be a parent, or anyone over 18 i'm not sure) when you purchase a creature. i don't see the big fiasco to be honest. every time i got a pet when i was under 16 my parents were there right besides me to say yes, or no, and pay for equipment. this law surely just gives stores the rights to deny children to purchase pets on the spur of the moment, and kids, you ARE spontaneous aren't you. it may not be an impulse purchase, you may be 14 and have researched fishkeeping for years and be a pro, so why is it such a problem to just say, dad can you give me a lift to the store so i can get some more fish?

 

[OohFeeshy]

What about if Mr. Fish Enthusiast with 20 large tanks had to move to a smaller house and could only take a few of his tanks with him? What would happen to the fish with a 8-20 year lifespan? just fob them back off to an LFS? thats not really a commitment to fishkeeping, thats fishkeeping for when it suits you.

 

[catxx]

oohfeeshy, when you're 30, and your kid brings home a baby snapping turtle from the local dodgy petstore and plonks it in your tank with your guppies thinking its cool while you're out doing the shopping, you'll wonder whatever became of that law.

What about if Mr. Fish Enthusiast with 20 large tanks had to move to a smaller house and could only take a few of his tanks with him? What would happen to the fish with a 8-20 year lifespan? just fob them back off to an LFS? thats not really a commitment to fishkeeping, thats fishkeeping for when it suits you.

not to nitpick, but if mr soandso HAD to move to a smaller home, surely thats just circumstance and not planned? noone plans to move to a smaller house and give up pets they love. whereas if you're still living with your parents, you're not staying there forever are you? exactly.

 

[CFC]

What about if Mr. Fish Enthusiast with 20 large tanks had to move to a smaller house and could only take a few of his tanks with him? What would happen to the fish with a 8-20 year lifespan? just fob them back off to an LFS? thats not really a commitment to fishkeeping, thats fishkeeping for when it suits you.

He bumps off his other half to make a claim on the life insurence so he can keep the house.

 

[OohFeeshy]

LOL CFC.

That is very unlikely to happen catxx. a) I don't want kids, I hate children, B) I hate guppies, they're for feeding to other fish, c) It is very unlikely a shop in the UK will even carry snapping turtles, let alone sell one to a small child. And even if they did, I'd keep it. Snapping turtles are cute.

And RE your edit, why can someone not plan to move somewhere where they can keep their fish?

 

[CFC]

One of my LFS has snapping turtles in from time to time, lovely beasts.

 

[catxx]

same, my LFS has had them too, last month in fact.

and if there wasn't a law, and there was a new guy in the LFS who just thought uh its a turtle, a group of unsupervised 12 year old kids, want to buy one, the new guy will sell one.

what this law won't protect is if all the persons involved, sales person, parent and child are inexperienced in keeping pets, the animals will still get sold, this won't end the mistakes at all, just help prevent one aspect of it.

 

[OohFeeshy]

So overall you appear to be saying that I and anyone else under 16 can't have pets? Correct?

 

[CFC]

No, they are saying no one under the age of 16 should be able to buy a pet without a parent or guardians consent, which is a basic standing rule in most pet stores and fish shops anyway.

 

[catxx]

NO, they can have pets. as long as an adult is standing next to them and approves the purchase when you buy them.

so why is it such a problem to just say, dad can you give me a lift to the store so i can get some more fish?

 

[OohFeeshy]

NO, they can have pets. as long as an adult is standing next to them and approves the purchase when you buy them.

so why is it such a problem to just say, dad can you give me a lift to the store so i can get some more fish?

Ah yes, but you said

' thats fine, for the few odd years until you go to college, possibly to never move back, now your parents want to get rid of all your belongings and turn your room in to a spare room, what happens to all your beloved fish with a 8-20 year lifespan? just fob them back off to an LFS? thats not really a commitment to fishkeeping, thats fishkeeping for when it suits you.'

and

'noone plans to move to a smaller house and give up pets they love. whereas if you're still living with your parents, you're not staying there forever are you? exactly.'

Implying that you shouldn't keep fish until you have your own house from which you aren't planning on moving from in the lifespan of all your fish.

And on that note, I think I'll get my Dad to take me to Aqualife and get another betta maybe, and see if they've got any of the groovy eels still in. While he's wandering aimlessly elsewhere.

 

[catxx]

of course you can keep fish, just plan for the future is all, i know i have. i don't own my own home, i've already moved once with my fish and will do again in february. i also said thats not the real point of this argument is it?

the POINT is to have a guardian present when you buy the fish. thats ALL IT IS. nothing more, nothing less. get it? got it? good. was this really worth 10 pages of arguing round in circles??

 

[drango91]

im 15 going on 16 in a few months , agree that children should be able to buy fish provided they do their RESEARCH(like i did) everyone encounters fishproblems, fish should just not be sold to people who cant care for a fish properly... ive had my fish deaths but ive learned and now im raising fry properly there should just be a test and a license given to buy fish...

 

[Jules H-T]

your bedroom is still your space whether it's in a house owned by you or not. You get to choose your own decorating scheme, your own furniture (generally), whatever other objects you keep in your room (ie,TVs video players etc) generally as long as you buy it.

No, you are wrong. It is your parent's space, they own it, they decide what happens to it. Whether they have chosen to let you have it as you please is not relevant, they can take it away as quickly as they gave it. You may think they would never do that, and they may never- but you have no influence at all over whether that happens or not.

The point is, that as a child you have no power at all. You cannot control anything at all about your circumstances, whether you think you can or not. Any control you think you have is an illusion, you control what your parents allow you to control

We can pussy foot around this all day, but the truth of the matter is that as a child you do not have the authority or the power, to enter into the commitment of caring for a living creature without the assistance of adults.

If the assistance of adults is required to maintain this commitment, and I will not be presuaded that it isn't, then they deserve the right to be included in the decision to make the purchase, and that is what this law is designed to guarantee- that any purchase of an animal is backed up at least with the power to look after it (whether or not that power ends up being exercised).

Sorry if that sounds harsh to any under 16 yr olds, but that is how it is if you are honest. Don't worry though, you'll get your chance, and with the power comes a whole load of grief.

 

[furryrabbit]

I find it quite amazing , it seems many of the adults on this forum went straight from twelve to twenty .

And jules , I don't only do what my parents allow - if they only knew .................... .