I Would Like Your Opnion - Experienced Or Not.

[OneOnion]

Yes, I agree that some people can be a bit harsh when answering questions about tank size, but the thing is, why would you want to go through all that trouble with small tanks, with either 100% water changes daily or doing complicated plumbing with drip systems, when most likely you have the space for a filtered and heated 2.5 or 5 gallon tank somewhere in your house or apartment? It's much easier in the long run when you have a filter, heater, and a larger tank so that when you go on a vacation or are sick or something, not doing a water change for a few days or a week won't be harmful for your betta.

 

[Chard56]

This is all well and good but just by writing down (Fact: Blah blah blah) Doesn't make it so. I would love nothing more than to rub some noses in this article. The "nothing less than 5 gallons for a single Betta" preachers that I constantly engage in battle on Yahoo fish Q&A. Not That I disagree with you but how about references and actual facts to back up your "FACTS". I keep all my single males in 1 gallon jars without a problem. Most breeders I've talked to do as well. Most people know that but continue to belittle and put down someone for asking a question about their Betta in a bowl instead of teaching them proper maintanence. I have people that email me directly to avoid the chance of being jumped on and having their *ss ridden. A link or scientific journal, something. Throw me a bone so I can give it to some of the "Bigger the better Snobs". If I had 5 gallons for every fish in my house, my house would BE one big fish tank.

 

[5teady_2012]

Mmk yeah. For practical fish-keeping and housing, bigger is definitely better. (And honestly, I think we've both seen 1/2 gallons being the end of the world for bettas - again, with those certain people who don't care for them).

I know how to back the "DON'T DO IT" thing if I weren't sick and could focus properly. Maybe not entirely back them up, but there's reason behind it.
Like the people who say "never do it", it's a bit shallow and doesn't properly explain why, but this is always said to the brand new fish owners who want an easy (emphasis on easy) pet fish to care for in something that doesn't take up much room. "What? Daily water changes? Whatever." Of course there are people who ARE willing to do it, but for me, I'd usually avoid suggesting 1/2 gallons because some (more ignorant) people just take it and go. And especially through the internet, you don't know how they really are and their dedication to the fish. I know one person who could probably make the 1/2 gallon work. But for the people over the internet, it's doubtful you would realize that trait in my friend and care more for the betta. Which makes sense in how I see it.

And yes, it would be more senseful to explain why someone shouldn't use a 1/2 gallon.

I understand where your coming from...

Yet, say 1000 people come on this forum and ask, is it ok to put a betta in a 2G tank?

99% of the replies will be, no way, at least 10G or whatever they say.

Why not say...

Yes it is (then explain how to sucessfully do it) the reason i say this is because say all these people ask, and get told no, and ignore the advice, and then continue to setup a 2G tank, they dont know what they are doing, yet if at least they got told, they would go away from here knowing how to do it and giving them and the fish a better chance.

Do u see what i mean? i dont if im wording it properly...

I just think its always best to give them all the info on both way, and at least if they ignore getting a bigger thank, they know how to treat using a smaller one.

 

[plecostomus-mad]

1/2 a us gallon? that is 3.7 uk liters........

my opinion is going to cause some upset.

now i know the person who wrote the FACTS is a Betta breeder for over 20 years and a
International Betta Congress Certified Judge. but that means what? nothing.

the average person who comes to this forum are not experienced breeders or International Betta Congress Certified Judges,so for them to state its possible and correct to keep a betta in a 1/2 gallon tank are bloody stupid in my opinion! what about the moral aspect? its one thing to put a breeding male in a 1/2 gallon for business related purposes but full time as a pet? its not right! and should not be said as the thing to do or even suggest it.

say a 12 year old read that article, saw that its perfectly fine to house a betta in a 1/2 gallon tank, thinks yippee ki yay! and goes to buy one. what do you think will happen? i wouldnt place a bet on it surviving. id give it a 10% chance of living.

'' quote '' Those that can't accept both answers as correct are simply uninformed or unwilling to admit some system other than the one they like can work.'' end quote ''
does he mean for a hobbyist or a business keeper??

i recently asked about keeping a betta in a 60l / 16 us gallons / 13 uk gallons and i thought that was border line.

whether you agree with me or not is upto you. i cant really understand what this thread is about! you asked what people thought and i have given my view

 

[Assaye]

I'll accept that you can keep a betta physically healthy and in good condition in a small bowl, with the right care. You can keep a child healthy and clean if you never let it out of the house, ban it from playing with friends and make sure it has three square meals a day and an exercise bike.

Is treating animals and humans like that right? No, IMO. We don't keep bettas in larger tanks becuase it gives them better colour and finnage - we keep them in larger tanks with places to hide and plants to rest on because they deserve varied environment, spaces to explore and mental stimulation.

 

[5teady_2012]

i recently asked about keeping a betta in a 60l / 16 us gallons / 13 uk gallons and i thought that was border line.

whether you agree with me or not is upto you. i cant really understand what this thread is about! you asked what people thought and i have given my view

I did ask, and am interested in what people say, you dont know what the threads about? (you must do cos u gave a opinion buddy)

60L is nowhere near borderline though is it.

 

[5teady_2012]

Very good points a a very good opinion.

OK, let me try another way,

Im a new member, im telling you that i have no option than use a 2G tank cos thats all i can have...

Would you ignore me? would you say then you cant have a betta unless you get a bigger tank? or would you guide me on to take the best care possible for my betta in a 2g tank?

 

[plecostomus-mad]

i recently asked about keeping a betta in a 60l / 16 us gallons / 13 uk gallons and i thought that was border line.

whether you agree with me or not is upto you. i cant really understand what this thread is about! you asked what people thought and i have given my view

I did ask, and am interested in what people say, you dont know what the threads about? (you must do cos u gave a opinion buddy)

60L is nowhere near borderline though is it.

ok buddy, old bean, me o'l china....i get the gist but WHAT is it actually about?what is the actual,overall point of this thread?is it an argumentitive thread to see if it is infact ok to keep bettas in a 1/2 gallon baked beans tin??

60l borderline.............. morally? yes i think so.

 

[5teady_2012]

i recently asked about keeping a betta in a 60l / 16 us gallons / 13 uk gallons and i thought that was border line.

whether you agree with me or not is upto you. i cant really understand what this thread is about! you asked what people thought and i have given my view

I did ask, and am interested in what people say, you dont know what the threads about? (you must do cos u gave a opinion buddy)

60L is nowhere near borderline though is it.

ok buddy, old bean, me o'l china....i get the gist but WHAT is it actually about?what is the actual,overall point of this thread?is it an argumentitive thread to see if it is infact ok to keep bettas in a 1/2 gallon baked beans tin??

60l borderline.............. morally? yes i think so.

No mate not at all, there is a difference between arguing and having a constructive conversation.

The whole point is....

Just cos someone is not doing something the way you want them to....

Dont just walk away, give them the best info possible on the way they want to do it, as well has expressing your ways of thikning whats best and what they should be doing )whether its right or wrong).


This way, as a forum member, you have done all you can to help someone, and a fish

 

[Chard56]

i recently asked about keeping a betta in a 60l / 16 us gallons / 13 uk gallons and i thought that was border line.

whether you agree with me or not is upto you. i cant really understand what this thread is about! you asked what people thought and i have given my view

I did ask, and am interested in what people say, you dont know what the threads about? (you must do cos u gave a opinion buddy)

60L is nowhere near borderline though is it.

ok buddy, old bean, me o'l china....i get the gist but WHAT is it actually about?what is the actual,overall point of this thread?is it an argumentitive thread to see if it is infact ok to keep bettas in a 1/2 gallon baked beans tin??

60l borderline.............. morally? yes i think so.

I think putting a single betta in a 16 gallon tank by itself is like giving my bedroom to a mouse. I can see the two of them shouting Hello,...Hello...Hello.... Yoldel ady who!!

 

[plecostomus-mad]

so would the writer be correct in saying i could divide my 60l / 16 gallon tank up in to 32 sections and house 32 betta's all with 1/2 a gallon of water each? thats what he is saying right? 1 single betta can live with the proper care etc in 1/2 a gallon of water. would it be ok for me to do that?

i recently asked about keeping a betta in a 60l / 16 us gallons / 13 uk gallons and i thought that was border line.

whether you agree with me or not is upto you. i cant really understand what this thread is about! you asked what people thought and i have given my view

I did ask, and am interested in what people say, you dont know what the threads about? (you must do cos u gave a opinion buddy)

60L is nowhere near borderline though is it.

ok buddy, old bean, me o'l china....i get the gist but WHAT is it actually about?what is the actual,overall point of this thread?is it an argumentitive thread to see if it is infact ok to keep bettas in a 1/2 gallon baked beans tin??

60l borderline.............. morally? yes i think so.

I think putting a single betta in a 16 gallon tank by itself is like giving my bedroom to a mouse. I can see the two of them shouting Hello,...Hello...Hello.... Yoldel ady who!!

what a silly comment! are you serious? think how much room he would have in the wild. i know bettas you can buy are not the same fish as wild ones but still, isnt it a right that fish should have?

EDIT: REASON FOR EDIT? I WAS A NAUGHTY BOY!

 

[Tolak]

It may well be, the trick is in finding the proper method, which includes hardware, maintenance, as well as many other things.


****Edit To Add****

Name calling is not one of the requirements for finding the proper methods, and will not be tolerated.

 

[plecostomus-mad]

i recently asked about keeping a betta in a 60l / 16 us gallons / 13 uk gallons and i thought that was border line.

whether you agree with me or not is upto you. i cant really understand what this thread is about! you asked what people thought and i have given my view

I did ask, and am interested in what people say, you dont know what the threads about? (you must do cos u gave a opinion buddy)

60L is nowhere near borderline though is it.

ok buddy, old bean, me o'l china....i get the gist but WHAT is it actually about?what is the actual,overall point of this thread?is it an argumentitive thread to see if it is infact ok to keep bettas in a 1/2 gallon baked beans tin??

60l borderline.............. morally? yes i think so.

No mate not at all, there is a difference between arguing and having a constructive conversation.

The whole point is....

Just cos someone is not doing something the way you want them to....

Dont just walk away, give them the best info possible on the way they want to do it, as well has expressing your ways of thikning whats best and what they should be doing )whether its right or wrong).


This way, as a forum member, you have done all you can to help someone, and a fish

i see i just feel strongly about fish being kept in small tanks, it gets me going and grinds my gears!

 

[5teady_2012]

so would the writer be correct in saying i could divide my 60l / 16 gallon tank up in to 32 sections and house 32 betta's all with 1/2 a gallon of water each? thats what he is saying right? 1 single betta can live with the proper care etc in 1/2 a gallon of water. would it be ok for me to do that?

i recently asked about keeping a betta in a 60l / 16 us gallons / 13 uk gallons and i thought that was border line.

whether you agree with me or not is upto you. i cant really understand what this thread is about! you asked what people thought and i have given my view

I did ask, and am interested in what people say, you dont know what the threads about? (you must do cos u gave a opinion buddy)

60L is nowhere near borderline though is it.

ok buddy, old bean, me o'l china....i get the gist but WHAT is it actually about?what is the actual,overall point of this thread?is it an argumentitive thread to see if it is infact ok to keep bettas in a 1/2 gallon baked beans tin??

60l borderline.............. morally? yes i think so.

I think putting a single betta in a 16 gallon tank by itself is like giving my bedroom to a mouse. I can see the two of them shouting Hello,...Hello...Hello.... Yoldel ady who!!

what a retarded comment! are you serious? think how much room he would have in the wild. i know bettas you can buy are not the same fish as wild ones but still, isnt it a right that fish should have?

You have not even replied to what i put, you completely ignored what i asked you....

 

[plecostomus-mad]

It may well be, the trick is in finding the proper method, which includes hardware, maintenance, as well as many other things.


****Edit To Add****

Name calling is not one of the requirements for finding the proper methods, and will not be tolerated.

my retarded comment?