How Things Have Changed.

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Hello everyone.

I haven't kept fish for the last ten years, but before that have kept them for 34 years. I have recently set up a tank .

I am amazed at how things have changed in fishkeeping. I suspect due to the internet.

I used to be a regular member of a fish club, and often took part in the "inter club" contests. This meant getting your "entry" into a small tank (about 9" long), keeping it warm on the journey (often many miles), putting it on the bench, and then nervously watching as the judges slowly moved along the line. My best ever fish was a Synodontis Angelicus - I entered it but never really thought that it could win as it was too small. It didn't win, but after the judging - one of the judges gave me his phone number and asked if ever I wanted to get rid of the fish, give him first refusal - it was a beauty.

How have things changed?

I never de-chlorinated water. What we did was, use a brewers bin, fill it at high water pressure (so a lot of the Chlorine comes out as a gas), leave for two days, stirring often (again to get the chlorine out of the water and into the air as gas).

I never tested my water. I did hear of folks taking a water sample to their LFS when they had problems. I'm not being bigheaded here but I never had problems.

I always used under gravel filtration. Loads of gravel and power head pumps. When I kept Malawi's I added two external canister filters as well.

Water changes? I never obsessed about this. I used a gravel cleaner (vacuum thingy) when required - probably every two or three weeks. I never tested the water temperature of the new water - just stuck my finger in, and thought "yep, that's about right".

The rule about water changes in those days was "an inch a week". Not that I did that.

It seems that fishkeeping has become Hi-Tech and very scientific.

I have ordered a water test kit (should arrive tomorrow). I will use it.

What do you think about the "old ways" compared to what you all seem to do these days?
 
Hehe, i guess things change alot, but the principles stay the same :)

My dad was just the same, he was shocked to find out that I was spending £25 on a test kit. "A WATER TEST KIT! Why!" he said xD

He also diddnt understand why I had to buy an extra heater for heating water for tank changes!
 
I think that although fish keeping 'worked' in the past. There is no way people can even try to argue it was as successful as it is nowadays.

Alot of times people who used to keep fish a long time ago are like 'wow... how did you breed 'blah'' Or 'I could never keep 'x' 'y' and 'z' in my tank'. Etc etc. And they think it's some magic formula or something, but it isn't. It just people striving to know more about the fish they keep, the conditions their fish are kept in and tweaking it to fit. As opposed to the older theory of 'chuck em all in, it's what my dad did and it worked for him'.

Water changes don't need to be obsessive, but checking roughly what change you need to keep nitrates 10-15ppm above your tap water at max is a good plan. You then simply follow this weekly routine.
Keeping things fresh also allows for things such as holidays and illnesses.

Under gravel filters... :sick:, messy, dirty, restrictive and noisy. No thanks *shudders*, give me an internal/external power filter any day! You can use sand... you can change your substrate. You can easily seed other filters (fair enough you can dangle some gravel in the new tank if using undergravel... but it's easier to just move a pad). Power filters are easier to clean, you're never going to mess up your water stats by giving the substrate a good clean...

Dechlorinator means you don't have to sit lots of water in a barrel! And also means you can keep more sensitive species, good conditioners also bind heavy metals and chloramine which is added more and more to the water supply and wont gas off.

Fishless cycling/ Structed fish-in cycling ensure the health and longevity of all the fish we keep.

So yeah... old way of keeping... fair enough that people didn't know any better. But there's no excuse anymore :P

Edit: Oh n just to add about the temp matching water changes... the human body can distinguish to within a degree or two temp difference. Hands are perfectly suitable as a guide... I also think you're slightly mad Simo :lol: :P Sorry :blush:
 
It's just as well that fishkeeping did work in the past (even though we didn't know any better).

Mucky under gravel filters? One inch tube - down the uplift, to do your water change. Sounds easy to me.
 
I would like to know how under gravel filters are noisy? My powerhead pumps make no noise at all.
 
Lol, seriously ppl use an extra heater to heat new water?! :lol: Never done that. Can't imagine not using de-chlorinator in the tanks but I also suspect there are far more chemicals in our tap water now than there was way back (#41#### those water companies) and maybe that is partially why fish keeping was successful. I also suspect that ignorance sometimes worked favourably as it weeded out weaker fish and left stronger, hardier fish which were bred from. Some fish nowadays are treating with so much care that the slightest wrong move could prove fatal.....I have to consider that if a fish is that sensetive surely it has been caused by over-breeding or in-breeding. If not, then it should be left in it's natural habitat and not tortured in unknowing aquarists aquariums. Maybe we should be expected to take exams for some fish and reach 'levels' before being allowed to keep certain fish....bit like a computer game! ;)
Seriosuly though, I agree that the internet has become a place full of information, allowing modern fish-keepers access to knowledge previously reserved for specialists. It has also led to plenty of conflicting information, some of which one group of aquarists swear by and will flame you for thinking otherwise, whilst another group will flame you for not believing something entirely different!
Blimey. I reckon I could rant on forever, lol. :lol: Find the happy medium, know your fish, only buy from someone you trust and filter with whatever system you prefer. If it works, who cares if someone else hates that system?!
Ok, I'll shut up now. :blush:
P.
 
Mucky due to the fact that any fish dirt is dragged down into the gravel where it settles as opposed to up into the internal filter which is easily removed and cleaned.

Noisy because most are run with an airpump... and even 'silent' air pumps wind me up. Yours specifically (run by a powerhead) would have been fine noise wise. I'm not going to dispute that :)
 
I wouldn't dream of running under gravel filtration with an air pump. It doesn't really work. I have two powerhead pumps that work.

Fish poo goes straight into your internal canisters - how?
 
I couldn't use an undergravel filter even if I wanted too anyways, all my substrates are way too fine. I think you'll find you probably slowly tend towards sandy bottoms too over time :)

So having said that, power filters get another plus point cause they can be used in any tank.
 
I think that heating up the water would actually decrease your chances of breeding fish. Many fish begin spawning after a nice rain. Rain is a lot cooler than the water in the pond or stream that they live in. The temp change can cause the fish to start breeding. If anything, I would avoid warm water changes just to improve my chances of breeding a certain fish. I have always noticed that my fish like to swim under the current of cold water that I put in my tanks. They are quite funny! I almost never test my water. Why? Because I know what works. If i feed the same amount, every week, and do the same water change every week, then my water should be the same, every week. So, why check my stats? It's a waste to me. Now, if I am setting up a tank, then I can understand testing water to see ammonia levels and what not. I used to use UGF's and then we got our first power filter. The tank was drastically clearer the next day after installing it!
 
I wouldn't dream of running . It doesn't really work. I have two powerhead pumps that work.

Fish poo goes straight into your internal canisters - how?
of course a under gravel filtration with an air pump works. i think what you mean to say is powerhead pumps work better.
 

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