Hi Guys, New Here... What You Think Can You Help?

You dont just 'leave' the water and it cycles, you have to either add ammonia or add a fish which will add ammonia.
i think your tank has not started cycling yet.

What are the test readings?

~betta_246
 
Thing is though, if you'd read the cycling topics then you'd realise just letting the tank run for 2 weeks with just water wont do anything to cycle it.

But if the zeolite has been removed I don't understand why ammonia is 0...especially as you're using API Liquid tests?

It's just an odd set of information. Kinda makes me think you haven't read the cycling topics. And you are't annoying me, I'm just trying to get all the facts so that I can help if you need it. :)
 
iv been adding the ammonia to start with for the 1st week then i added the fish about 5 days ago...

Amonia - 0
Nitrite - 0
PH - 6.8
 
How many ppm have you been adding for the first week?

What type/where did you get your ammonia from?

Do you have your results from the first week?

Did you add any mature media to the tank?

It's very odd that it cycled so fast.
 
3 or 4 think it was 4

the guy from the lfs got it in for me not to sure where from.

how do u mean mature media?
 
What was it called? Do you still have the bottle?

How much in ml did you add to your tank to give you 4ppm?

And mature media is any filter media which has a good amount of ammonia and nitrite converting bacteria on it.
 
Hi C101! We seem to be having a rash of Biorb users appearing in our "New to the Hobby" section! I was just trying to help a different one in another new thread and there was at least another one recently!

One thing that -might- help.. I just was looking at the doc on the Biorb website (www.reef-one.com) for the Biorb 60 that these other folks had and it seems to have a "disk" containing a MIX of zeolite and carbon (as opposed to two different chambers of the two things as you were saying) ... not sure if the biorb 30 is exactly the same but it looks to be. Replacing the contents of the disk should basically solve the zeolite problem but of course the separate problems of whether the UG design will have maintanence problems (prehaps requiring full break-downs every 2 weeks or monthly to keep the undergravel paths clear) are not solved. Whether the overall flow rate and circulation from what amounts to a single undergravel bubble lift will be enough tank movement and surface disturbance is also not clear.

What seems very promising in your thread is that the couple is seriously considering a real tank after a short time and with a change of the disk contents and good fish-in technique, they should be able to hopefully keep the fish alive until then.

~~waterdrop~~
 
Yes it is the same setup as the 60, im sure its the same just of a smaller Literage.
But we will be looking for another tank in a few months like i said, thanks for all ur help guys...:):):)
 
Hi WD *waves*, I'd noticed a few more biorbs than usual pop up...odd isn't it? But hey.

If the zeolite has been removed, which I guess it has (thanks waterdrop) then I guess you must be cycled if you're getting 0 ammonia and 0 nitrite. In which case congrats, :)

I can't recommend any fish for the biorb though, particularly if you plan to upgrade/switch to a rectangular tank.
 
C101, Thanks for your summary of the various problems with the biorb, I think your many points are well taken!

H_N_L, glad we could be of some help, hope you will stay active with the interactions - it shouldn't be too hard to find some of the other biorb discussions around....

~~waterdrop~~
 
Cheers again guys... really pleased with the advice!!!
Will talk again soon im sure thanks again :):):)
 
Welcome to the forum H_N_L_FISH.
I anm sorry that we have such confusing terms and never think to explain what we mean by them. A tank's filter starts out as just so much hardware with very little to benefit any fish. Fish, as a part of living in the water produce ammonia from their gills directly and from the food and their wastes decaying in the tank. Ammonia is poisonous to fish in amounts above 0.25 ppm so we try to control those levels quite low. Fortunately we get lucky and there are bacteria that will remove ammonia from the water, they thrive on doing it. Unfortunately those ammonia processing bacteria produce nitrites which are also poisonous in trace amounts. Talk about luck, there are bacteria that love to get their hands on nitrites and convert it to nitrates. Nitrates are almost harmless in concentrations of 20 ppm so there is plenty of time for us to deal with those with almost no trouble.
OK, so where does the filter come into all this? The filter contains things that have a surface area, like your ceramic noodles, where the bacteria can grow and thrive. When we talk about a cycle, we are talking about setting up the bacteria in enough numbers that they can process all of the ammonia and nitrites in your water so that you can never measure any more than a zero of either chemical. The bacteria grow wherever they find any ammonia present along with oxygen, and a surface to grow on. In our filters, we provide the flow of nicely oxygenated water across a nice large surface area of things like sponges and ceramic bits. The bacteria that we want can double their numbers about once every 24 hours if there is enough of all the things present that they need.
A couple of points people have been trying to make go like this, until there is a source of ammonia in the water, there is nothing for the ammonia processors to use to increase their numbers. If you do not provide any ammonia source, the few bacteria that may be present will slowly lose their population so until you placed fish into the tank, nothing was happening to help the bacterial populations grow. With fish in the tank there is a source of ammonia that any bacteria that happen to be present will start to use. We call this situation a fish-in cycle because you have not fully established the needed bacteria in advance of adding the fish. From what you have posted in this somewhat confusing thread, that is where I see your tank right now.
What does this mean? It means that you will be doing daily tests of ammonia and then nitrites and doing large enough water changes to keep both chemicals at less than 0.25 ppm at all times for the next few weeks until the bacteria can become established in your tank. By then you will feel like an old pro with your testing equipment and will become all too familiar with the gravel vac and buckets. There is a link to a thread about the fish-in cycle, called fish-in cycling of all things, in my signature area that can fill you in on some of the details. Please give it a read through and come back with any questions that you may have.
 

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