Help. My Large Red Male Jewel Not Looking Crash Hot I Think.

[humpy_the_humphead_wrasse]

best way to dispose of him just to bury him in the yard somewhere? he's a fairly big fish!

 

[WILDER]

best way to dispose of him just to bury him in the yard somewhere? he's a fairly big fish!

Yes but if you have pets make sure the hole deep as they dig them up.
They make your plants florish.

 

[humpy_the_humphead_wrasse]

yeah im just gona put him in the front yard i think. #### this is gona be hard. one of my first fish.

 

[WILDER]

I know been here many a time so know how it feels.
If there really in a bad way and to far gone for meds you are saving your other fish from getting ill.
Septicemia hard to cure once its progressed and his ailments are piling up so makes it harder to save him.

 

[humpy_the_humphead_wrasse]

he's been like this for 12 hours now, theres no chance that he may survive?

also noticed a red blotch on his face he didnt have befor

the only reason ill be euphasising is if theres chance of carrying on infect! which i cant tell atm so im just gona have to do it

 

[WILDER]

So the fish has popeye, red dots on his mouth and now a red blob on his face.
Not sounding good once bacteria infections mount up the odds go down for saving the fish.
The red blob can you describe it in more detail.
Has his breathing changed.
Is he acting lethagic.

Fish can also look like they have swim bladder when there dying they will turn upside down, dart around the tank, rest on things in the tank.

You say his mouth looks deformed is it an injury or grown to looked deformed,
Has he gone thin.

 

[humpy_the_humphead_wrasse]

nope he's the same weight he's always been and his mouth has always been a lil wierd. he's been breathing the same rate all day for 2 days now.

the red is just like a blotch circle on one side of his face

he's been lethargic for bout 3 days now although it only became aparent as a problem today when he started swimming on the bottom head down tail up and more on his head then belly

 

[WILDER]

They can swim oddly when there dying.
You say his been rubbing do you think a parasite could be involved that caused the bacterial infections.
Also with the defomed mouth could be looking at tb but its hard to say fish tb without tests.
http/www.fishyportal.com/cgi-bin/pub/dia...&did=232361
If he eaten a dead fish it could of made him ill.

The only problem is you can't issolate him, that why is so important to have a hospital tank.
You need antibiotics but they will wipe the benefical bacteria out in the filter, plus there a chance he won't survive even with meds.

 

[WILDER]

Colin t online will ask him to take a look at your thread.

 

[humpy_the_humphead_wrasse]

any ideas from colin t? if not ill just do it ill freeze him. he wont get any better at this stage and id rather loose 30$ rather then 500+$

 

[humpy_the_humphead_wrasse]

yeah so ive just come home from work after i got called it, had to leave him in the bucket because i had to freeze some ice as there wasnt any. had someone doing water changes in the bucket every 20min half hour so and hes still alive and swimming. im not sure if it was that serious that he'd be belly up for over 15 hours would he? im thinking i might just keep the water changes up in the bucket and do anouther epson bath in my other bucket later over night and see how he goes?

i still not 100% on the bacterial thing because my water is perfect and i have no idea how he could have picked it up, thinking maybe its just a swim bladder problem. which i have to go research on now after i change his water!

dont think im ready to give up on him yet! im gona continue to re circulate his water from the tank into the bucket and re fill the tank every so often. ill atleast know the main tanks water is super clean then! and should dilute any bacteria which may be in there.

 

[Colin_T]

It sounds like a bacterial or protozoan infection that is in his head. They can pick it up from the gravel or the fish might have had the problem for a while and it only recently affected it.
Dirty gravel and poorly maintained filters are the most common cause of this type of problem.

To kill the fish either knock it on the head, or put it in a small container of water and pop it in the freezer until frozen. Then burn or bury the body.

If it is a bacterial or protozoan problem, chances are the other fish have already been exposed to it. If the other fishes are healthy it shouldn't cause any problems to them, but if they are run down, or the tank (filters & gravel) isn't clean, they could develop similar problems.

Tanks should be gravel cleaned whenever they get a water change, and power filters should be cleaned about once a month. The filter materials should be washed in a bucket of tank water, while the case and motor can be washed under tap water.

Jewel cichlids come from soft water with a neutral to slightly acid PH. They will live in alkaline water but if there is any ammonia in the water, it will be much more toxic in alkaline water.

Rams should never be kept with Jewels. Jewels are agro and will kill rams and most other smaller cichlids.

 

[humpy_the_humphead_wrasse]

HEY GUYS 4 30am HERE AND GUESS WHAT... HE'S DOING SO MUCH BETTER NOW. hes in the bucket still but he is keeping himself upright and swimming around!!! 30 minute water changes in between playing spore have worked i think!!!! im going to keep him in the bucket till tommorrow and buy a heater for my 2 fts tommorrow and isolate him for a couple of days, just in case but wow from close to 17 hours of being on his back he is now back to upright position and swimming around. God i nearly euthasised him but he means to much to me to give up on him. i have slept in 52hours now due to uni assignment deadlines and work but god i couldnt be happeir. its such a sigh and he even ate a little bit of bloodworm i put in during the bucket water change!!!!

i knew i couldnt give up! i know he seemed in bad shape but just the fact he had enough energy to continue flapping his fins the whole time even when motionless and still breath. God he scared me but i think he'll be able to return soon. love him so much. his wife will be so pleased

 

[WILDER]

Is his balance ok.
I wouldn't get to excited just yet seen fish so many times look like there on the mend only to go downhill again.
Make sure he can't jump out of the bucket by putting a net over it with a elastic band, or tie it with some string.
Good luck bless him.

 

[Colin_T]

if you have 2 jewel cichlids in the tank then maybe the other one bashed him. That would cause him to swim around all funny and look unwell.