Help. My Large Red Male Jewel Not Looking Crash Hot I Think.

[humpy_the_humphead_wrasse]

australia. dont have anouther tank to isolate him in.

 

[WILDER]

Not sure on meds in your country.
Antibiotics will wipe the benefical bacteria out in your filter.
Do you have more than one tank, as you can kick start a tank again by taking mature filter media from another tank.

 

[humpy_the_humphead_wrasse]

im not sure he has what you mensioned, i read those websites and it said it was the affect of an open wound. He doesnt have any open wounds!

i have a 2ft'r in our loungroom which houses 2 comets, but i have no where to re house them and the water is slightly acidic and no where near the jewels 8.0ph he's in now

 

[WILDER]

The fish has popeye if its eye bulging out.
Septicemia red dot pin pricks on skin is septicemia.


Build up of fluids can cause septicemia, also parasites.
Look under septicemia.
http/www.fish-disease.net/diseases.htm

 

[humpy_the_humphead_wrasse]

ok so what meds r best? i can probably pop down to the lfs now, but my whole tank will have to be treated as i can't isolate him!

 

[WILDER]

Try and get a bacterial med that dosn't wipe the benefical bacteria out in the filter to much.
Plenty of water changes to dilute the bacteria down.
If you have to preform a water change during a med course just add the correct amount of med back to the water removed.
Septicemia hard to cure once it has progressed as its blood poisong, really need antibiotics, but you cant issolate.

 

[humpy_the_humphead_wrasse]

what if i did an antibiotic bath? like 3 or 4 minutes in a bucket with the antibiotics? can u recomend any?

isnt melafix a anti bacterial like you suggested??? which im using atm!

 

[WILDER]

Can you buy medicated food in australia as that would be the best option.
But only if fish are still eating.
Yes you can do baths but will have to find the info for you.

 

[humpy_the_humphead_wrasse]

no he's not eating. swiming on the bottom on his head and just seems to be trying to get to a place with low movement of water! still using his fins etc though ill go down now and see what the lfs gots! will the melafix and pimafix stop the other fish from getting it? cause im doing both atm cause i was told it leave the bacteria in my filter as its a natural product!

 

[WILDER]

If he in a really bad way it might be better to destroy the fish, thats up to you.
Then plenty of water changes on the main tank and keep up with the melafix.
Melafix is an external med.
According to this article antibiotic baths are not that good.
[URL="http/edis.ifas.ufl.edu/FA084"]http/edis.ifas.ufl.edu/FA084[/URL]

 

[humpy_the_humphead_wrasse]

well im going to go down and try to find something now. ive given him a second epson salt bath. do lfs usually keep antibiotics???

will melafix stop it spreading in case he does leak???

 

[WILDER]

In the uk antibitics are only available through a vet.
There colin t, or laurafrog who are both from australia you could pm them.
Septicemia same as you say can gain entry through cuts and wounds, dirty tanks, parasites, fluid build up.
Don't think melafix works on gram and pos bacteria get you the info.

http/www.reefland.com/forum/marine-fish-...don-t-work.html

 

[humpy_the_humphead_wrasse]

yeah they said through vet but seeing as its 6pm i wont be able to so i think i might just freeze him and keep an eye on my other fish. i might do 2 back to back 60-70% water changes tommorrow to get rid of any bacteria to and continue melafix!

hes still on his head swimming and staying in the ornamental bell. i guess the only thing i can do to stop it being contracted is to freeze and bury him? and watch other fish

 

[humpy_the_humphead_wrasse]

how long should i keep him in the freezer befor burying him?

 

[WILDER]

Bless him.
You get a bucket of very cold water and add ice cubes till the water freezing cold, add the fish it should take a 30 second, but leave the fish to make sure its passed on.
Don't put the fish in the frieezer as it a long cruel death.

Written by steelhealr.

This is what I choose to do with my fish and my comments are only placed here as opinion. This is a heated topic. I choose based on my knowledge from my training:

Oil of cloves is a topical anethestic and was used in the past to treat toothaches. Lidocaine (like at the dentist's office is a topical anesthetic as well). When we operate on people we really want to achieve 2 things, analgesia and anesthesia, that is, relief of pain and unconsciousness. IMO, when a fish is immersed in oil of cloves, it is essentially 'topically anesthetized', paralyzed, but, I am NOT convinced that the fish is unconscious.....none of us will really know for sure. We don't know if the oil of cloves causes stinging to the mucus membranes, eyes, etc on initial contact nor if the fish is motionless, painless but aware.

Extreme cold is an anesthetic. When applied to skin, you can actually cut the skin and feel no pain. Cold also can cause rapid unconsciousness. In fact, hypothermia is reported to cause a state of euphoria and clouding of consciousness. Fish, at least most of the types that we keep (tropical), are extremely small and rapid immersion in extreme cold water, in my opinion, causes rapid pain relief and rapid unconsciousness. I have never seen any of my fish shows signs of what I consider suffering. They stop moving immediately and appear lifeless. Some have stated that since fish are ectothermic, this doesn't apply....perhaps in cold water fish I would agree.

I choose to euthanize my fish this way, rather than oil of cloves. One must either make an educated decision for themselves, or, choose what is currently accepted by the masses as what is humane.

Added: although I would never use blunt force to euthanize my fish, nor advocate it, one fact is for sure: death is instantaneous

SH