Has My Tank Got Good Water?

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have you cycled your filter, or literally brought a tank, ran a filter and stuck some fish in.... i rekon the fish that you said got caught in the filter actually died from the bad water quality and then got carried in by the current of the water

sounds about right to me too.

OP have you got a test kit yet? you need to know what your nitrite is doing.

You also need to re-test your ammonia, as I suspect its still too high.

Yes I get it tested at work... as thats what my company does

I'll get onto it

no, you need to be able to test your water yourself at any given time, not X amount of hours later when you get to work. Its no good knowing your ammonia or nitrite are very high, then not being able to do water changes since you are at work.

As I said, get yourself a liquid test kit, like the API freshwater one, then test your ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and PH and tell us what you get.

Ah right.... i will go and buy one on Sat

Hopefully before long it will all be good

 

[AdAndrews]

have you cycled your filter, or literally brought a tank, ran a filter and stuck some fish in.... i rekon the fish that you said got caught in the filter actually died from the bad water quality and then got carried in by the current of the water

sounds about right to me too.

OP have you got a test kit yet? you need to know what your nitrite is doing.

You also need to re-test your ammonia, as I suspect its still too high.

Yes I get it tested at work... as thats what my company does

I'll get onto it

no, you need to be able to test your water yourself at any given time, not X amount of hours later when you get to work. Its no good knowing your ammonia or nitrite are very high, then not being able to do water changes since you are at work.

As I said, get yourself a liquid test kit, like the API freshwater one, then test your ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and PH and tell us what you get.

Ah right.... i will go and buy one on Sat

Hopefully before long it will all be good

probably atleast 6 weeks before it is all good, because essentially you are cycling now, just with a frog, just remember to keep up those water changes. DAILY!

 

[meguro]

If your tank shows ammonia and nitrite readings above 0.25ppm, you need to do a water change immediately to reduce it (the larger the volume of water changed the better). After 6 weeks or so, if you have ANY reading of ammonia and nitrite, that generally indicates something is wrong. And again, immediately do a water change.

Nitrate is relatively harmless, but try to keep it only 10-20ppm above your tap water and not above 80ppm.

http/www.fishforums.net/index.php?showtopic=224306

That link above is probably the most relevant guide to your particular case, if you haven't read it already.

Good luck with your tank.

 

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have you cycled your filter, or literally brought a tank, ran a filter and stuck some fish in.... i rekon the fish that you said got caught in the filter actually died from the bad water quality and then got carried in by the current of the water

sounds about right to me too.

OP have you got a test kit yet? you need to know what your nitrite is doing.

You also need to re-test your ammonia, as I suspect its still too high.

Yes I get it tested at work... as thats what my company does

I'll get onto it

no, you need to be able to test your water yourself at any given time, not X amount of hours later when you get to work. Its no good knowing your ammonia or nitrite are very high, then not being able to do water changes since you are at work.

As I said, get yourself a liquid test kit, like the API freshwater one, then test your ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and PH and tell us what you get.

Ah right.... i will go and buy one on Sat

Hopefully before long it will all be good

probably atleast 6 weeks before it is all good, because essentially you are cycling now, just with a frog, just remember to keep up those water changes. DAILY!

Yup I have another one planned for after work this eve... only 20% though that right?? and I still put my decloyinator (spelling) in??

When its all good I need to decide upon fish :think: I want a Betta what else are nice and colouful that go well with them??

I know I seem really bad at all this but I am trying.... its all just very confusing!!

If your tank shows ammonia and nitrite readings above 0.25ppm, you need to do a water change immediately to reduce it (the larger the volume of water changed the better). After 6 weeks or so, if you have ANY reading of ammonia and nitrite, that generally indicates something is wrong. And again, immediately do a water change.

Nitrate is relatively harmless, but try to keep it only 10-20ppm above your tap water and not above 80ppm.

[URL="http/www.fishforums.net/index.php?showtopic=224306"]http/www.fishforums.net/index.php?showtopic=224306[/URL]

That link above is probably the most relevant guide to your particular case, if you haven't read it already.

Good luck with your tank.

Thank you so much... at times like that I think I need a degree in chemistry lol

 

[Curiosity101]

With ammonia levels at/around 2ppm you need to be doing an 80% water change or similar. Or alternatively as suggested above, return the frog, and read up on fishless cycling in the 'Beginners' section of the board.

Also how big is the tank? Bettas don't tend to do well in community set-ups so are normally recommended to be housed seperate to any other fish, other than perhaps pygmy cories or kuhli loach etc.
If you tank is much bigger than 30l then it would be a waste to introduce a betta into it in my opinion. As that would really limit your stocking options.

Also just to re-iterate, the fish that died will have died from poor water quality and THEN have been sucked into the filter.
Ammonia levels of 0.25ppm are considered bad for fish
And Ammonia levels of 2ppm are considered deadly

I really would do alot of reading in the boards 'Beginner Section', if I were you. And then I'm sure you know this now, but research all your fish before you buy them. I know it's hard if you see a fish you particularly like on a trip to the lfs, but if you don't know enough about it, then don't buy it. It'll save alot of hassle in the long run!

 

[-L-O-T-T-E-]

With ammonia levels at/around 2ppm you need to be doing an 80% water change or similar. Or alternatively as suggested above, return the frog, and read up on fishless cycling in the 'Beginners' section of the board.

Also how big is the tank? Bettas don't tend to do well in community set-ups so are normally recommended to be housed seperate to any other fish, other than perhaps pygmy cories or kuhli loach etc.
If you tank is much bigger than 30l then it would be a waste to introduce a betta into it in my opinion. As that would really limit your stocking options.

Also just to re-iterate, the fish that died will have died from poor water quality and THEN have been sucked into the filter.
Ammonia levels of 0.25ppm are considered bad for fish
And Ammonia levels of 2ppm are considered deadly

I really would do alot of reading in the boards 'Beginner Section', if I were you. And then I'm sure you know this now, but research all your fish before you buy them. I know it's hard if you see a fish you particularly like on a trip to the lfs, but if you don't know enough about it, then don't buy it. It'll save alot of hassle in the long run!

My ammonia levels may be less than 2ppm... its just the guy who tested it for me didn't wait to see But I can do it myself as of Sat

My tank is 30litre!

Poor Tubz R.I.P

Don't worry I am gonna look up the fish and I am trying to find out as much as I can about things, thats why I ask sooooooo many questions on here lol

Ps - I can't get rid of my frog :cry:

 

[Curiosity101]

I SERIOUSLY would do an 60-80% water change. 80% of 30l is only 20 - 24l which isn't alot.

Well you need to be aware that although the Betta and ADF MAY live alongside eachother. If your betta wants to then he can and will make the frogs life a living hell. So long as you allow plenty of hidey holes for the frog and keep an eye on the two together then you could be fine.

30l is a perfect size for a male betta.

Side note, I wouldn't get a betta until your tank is cycled. It's normally around the 4 weeks area before that sized tank is fully cycled.

 

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I SERIOUSLY would do an 60-80% water change. 80% of 30l is only 20 - 24l which isn't alot.

Well you need to be aware that although the Betta and ADF MAY live alongside eachother. If your betta wants to then he can and will make the frogs life a living hell. So long as you allow plenty of hidey holes for the frog and keep an eye on the two together then you could be fine.

30l is a perfect size for a male betta.

Side note, I wouldn't get a betta until your tank is cycled. It's normally around the 4 weeks area before that sized tank is fully cycled.

Cool... I will do this tonight!! Where should I put my frog while doing it? lol


Betta's sounds mean eek

 

[Curiosity101]

Betta Splendens = Siamese fighting fish. They were originally bred to be mean...
This is why many of the proper wild types, eg. Betta Rutilans, can be kept in mixed sex groups yet fighter fish (betta splendens) are very aggressive and will kill each other.

And your frog can stay in the tank. Just keep it as covered as poss so he isn't tempted to jump out.

 

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Betta Splendens = Siamese fighting fish. They were originally bred to be mean...
This is why many of the proper wild types, eg. Betta Rutilans, can be kept in mixed sex groups yet fighter fish (betta splendens) are very aggressive and will kill each other.

And your frog can stay in the tank. Just keep it as covered as poss so he isn't tempted to jump out.

Wow a fighting fish hehe

My frog has got claws... it would be a right battle EEK

My tank has a lid on it so he can't escape

Would you reccomened any other fish??

 

[Curiosity101]

I meant make sure you keep the tank as covered as possible whilst doing the water change.

Wait he has claws? Sure he isn't an ACF instead? ACF's only have webbing on the back feet. ADF's have full webbing on all feet.

There are two main things to consider when trying to find a good tank mate/mates for an ADF (if it's an ADF) and that is:

ADF's are pretty slow eaters compared to many aquarium fish and can easily starve to death if put with fast moving fish.

And they tend to get quite shy and nervous around large fish as they are so small and lots of bigger fish might have a go at them.

You could try going to the amphibian section of TFF and having a look there for info. Or make your own post. List your type of frog (ACF or ADF), your tank volume and dimensions. And see what tankmates the peeps over there come up with.

 

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I meant make sure you keep the tank as covered as possible whilst doing the water change.

Wait he has claws? Sure he isn't an ACF instead? ACF's only have webbing on the back feet. ADF's have full webbing on all feet.

There are two main things to consider when trying to find a good tank mate/mates for an ADF (if it's an ADF) and that is:

ADF's are pretty slow eaters compared to many aquarium fish and can easily starve to death if put with fast moving fish.

And they tend to get quite shy and nervous around large fish as they are so small and lots of bigger fish might have a go at them.

You could try going to the amphibian section of TFF and having a look there for info. Or make your own post. List your type of frog (ACF or ADF), your tank volume and dimensions. And see what tankmates the peeps over there come up with.

I may just do that

He is a ACF... he seems very happy with his new home... however he is not very interested in his new piece of bogwood lol

Thank you for all ur advice x

 

[arobinson1984]

If he is an acf then you're likely to have lots of problems.

ACF's grow BIG and as he grows he will eat any fish smaller than him, he will outgrow a 30L tank easily.

I recommend you take him back or rehome him and get an adf which stands for African DWARF frog

Andy

 

[Curiosity101]

Agreed with the above. ACF's are a completely different kettle of fish...so to speak.

They grow big and prey on small species of fish.

 

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Oh no!!! Why do fish shops sell u things and say they will be fine with other fish etc and then they are not