Getting New Tank For First Betta

another question...sorry for so many, im probablly driving ya'll nuts:) for this tank would it be a good idea to divide it now or wait. i know me and one will not be enough after a while. i was planning on dividing it before i set it up but only getting the one fish till i get the hang of taking care of him. but would it be better to just give him the whole tank and when it comes time for another one then separate it or get a new tank? its cheaper and takes less space to separate though...
 
another question...sorry for so many, im probablly driving ya'll nuts:) for this tank would it be a good idea to divide it now or wait. i know me and one will not be enough after a while. i was planning on dividing it before i set it up but only getting the one fish till i get the hang of taking care of him. but would it be better to just give him the whole tank and when it comes time for another one then separate it or get a new tank? its cheaper and takes less space to separate though...
Leave it for now..

when you think your up for it then divide it :good: If not.

Just go for it! :D
 
ok. i think i will just leave it for now. once the tank is mature ill have to try the shrimp. they seem like they would be interesting to watch! i go pick up the tank tonight!! it will be a while before i have everything ready to get a betta, but at least its a start!~!
 
You don't need charcoal in a filter (only if you're trying to remove meds/tannins) so I'd replace it with more sponge or ceramics and never replace them, just rinse in tank water once a month or so :good: Leave that in your current tank for about 6 weeks, then transfer one of the sponges over to the betta tank and add the betta straight away.
If you're happy to wait that long, it would be better to get your betta's filter and run it in your current tank alongside that one for 6 weeks, then take it out and put it in the betta tank.
If you want to go instant, maybe cut the sponge in half and use half in the betta's filter?
 
im planningon cycling the tank before i get the betta. the tank i have now has the charcoal filters. with the aquaclear i can just not use the charcoal filter then? i think it said it has a foam filter then charcoal then room for a ammonia removing foam sponge. so i could just use the foam sponge and the ceramics? or two sponges and the ceramics? can i use the bag from a filter cartridge in my current tank to stuff into the new filter to help with the cycling of the new tank?

edit: just reread your post, putting the filter in my current tank with the one it has if i stuff it with media form old filter will keep it cycled right? so i dont have to add ammonia?
 
Yes, that sounds right. Ammonia source will be needed, so if the filter is in an old tank with fish that will be your Ammonia source.

The Carbon is the black media in the filter, be it sponge or tablet type things. Carbon removes items in the water such as medicines etc. Ideally it should be removed because the upkeep of it is high. To run effectively Carbon needs to be replaced every 4 days or so, else it wont work. So in the long run it will work out very expensive.

Just sponge or floss will work fine for a filter. :good:
 
ok so had my husband go pick up the 10 gallon tank i found for free on craigslist and was shocked when he brought it home! it had the tank, new hood and light, extra light, net, gravel, heater, filter(missing the lid to it) fish food, and aquasafe. it all look as if it was only used for about 3-4 months!! so...i took some pics of the filter, if i can modify it to work for bettas that will be great. if not ill get the aquaclear but im not sure what to do to make the one i got work...any suggestions? it is a hob tetra.

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edit: it still needs to be cleaned
 
looks good! :) Great find.

TBH, i have never used a HOB Filter before, but i doubt it will need any Mods, and should work fine as it is in terms of flow. :good:


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This might help, when setting it up:
Hang On Back (HOB) filters are only suitable for smaller tanks, you'll need a more powerful internal filter or external canister filter for tanks 2 ft & larger. As the name implies the whole filter usually is hung on the back tank wall. There's an inlet pipe sticking into the water and the cleaned water exits from an outlet near the top. For smaller fish & fry, you can cover the inlet point with a sponge that fits over it, this prevents fish from getting sucked up or against the pipe and becoming killed, injured or having their fins ripped.

It's possible to do all 3 types of filtration: mechanical (trapping solid particles), chemical (removing toxins, colour & odour) and biological (beneficial bacteria to convert toxic ammonia to less toxic forms). Many HOBs come with filter & carbon pads provided, which perform the mechanical & chemical filtration respectively. You could replace them with the same pads but it tends to be expensive in the long run to keep using proprietary stuff. You can substitute with cheaper alternatives, usually just a matter of cutting to fit and stuffing to ensure there are no gaps. I also highly recommend to add biological filter media like bio-rings, sintered glass etc to allow good bacteria to grow on them.

Note that HOBs are not very effective at mechanical filtration unless you maintain them well. The inlet pipe is usually quite narrow and hence the impeller (propeller like thing) can get clogged if there's excessively large stuff like dead plant leaves. The filter will not be able to suck up all the dirt, especially on the far side (try hanging it more to the center if possible); you still need to do your gravel cleaning. But on the whole a good HOB filter can be quite effective for a small tank, certainly better than a small internal filter or those older box filters driven by an air pump. I've used various kinds of filters for small tanks before and thus I can say that HOBs are the best choice for smaller tanks since canister filters are way too powerful.

For any filter, please note that it should be able to turn over about 2-3 times your tank volume per hour to be effective. Too fast a flow rate is not good for tanks with live plants (some plants may get uprooted & excessive water agitation causes necessary CO2 to dissipate) & stressful for certain fish (eg. smaller fish, fish fry, bettas, angelfish); best if the HOB has a control valve to adjust the flow rate.

~Yahoo answers
 
thanks betta! i was amazed that they gave us so much barely used equipment for free!! so i could put a sponge in there, just cut it to fit? maybe make it thinner that way i can put some of the bio-rings in there too?
edit: should i put pantyhose over the intake or can i stuff it with sponge? how can i fix the flow out if it is too strong still when turned down?




oh by the way betta, i saw your thread about your bettas. so sorry that you lost them:(
 
thanks betta! i was amazed that they gave us so much barely used equipment for free!! so i could put a sponge in there, just cut it to fit? maybe make it thinner that way i can put some of the bio-rings in there too?
edit: should i put pantyhose over the intake or can i stuff it with sponge? how can i fix the flow out if it is too strong still when turned down?

oh by the way betta, i saw your thread about your bettas. so sorry that you lost them:(

Thanks, its a shame. Hopefully there will be some more bettas in the new year! :)

I would imagine, you could put a sponge or filter floss in there. I have no experience of using Bio-Balls or hob Filters so dont know for sure, sorry.

And you can calm the flow with a Pantyhose, your right. If you want a really calm flow then a sponge would probarly be better. but test it first and see what the flow is like.

That is a really good bargain BTW. :D
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im sure you will find some wonderful new bettas! thank you for all of your help btw!
im hoping that the flow isnt too bad, but i want all the info i can get just in case:) i still cant get over what a bargin it was! although now that i have that much i want the rest of it all right now! lol i was planning on having to get all of that stuff seprately over time but now im on a faster track! just have to get some media and plants and im going to try to make a coconut cave and divide the tank then i can set it up and start my cycling!!!! tell me if im forgeting anything!
 
hehehe :lol:

I think we are all like that when we buy bettas, we want every thing done that day...

List sounds right, so Good luck, keep us updated! :)
 
:lol: yep, want it done yesterday! i will definitly keep ya'll updated. and im sure i have more questions!! im just gald i found this site!! everyone here has been so helpful!!
 
That looks like an aquaclear filter. It's missing the thing that holds the media though. You can probably get by without it-the holder is mainly to get it out easily. It holds a coarse sponge on the bottom and a bag w/ filter media (ours is white rock looking stuff) on top of the sponge. There's a lever to adjust the water flow-we keep ours on the lowest setting right now. You probably know this but it's supposed to hang with that big part on the outside of the tank and the part with the long tube on the inside.
 

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