First Home Test... Not So Good?

Tap ammonia still 0.25.

Is there anything I can do to reduce the ph as i think thats too high for the fish I have in there? I will do some research.

I have a thermometer, a pipe, a bucket but no gravel cleaner. That was something i forgot to get today!

oh, and I have dechlorinator.

EDIT: I just googled the fish breeds and pH after it and 7.6 is within the acceptable range for all the fish I have, so that should be ok. I hope!

EDIT 2: My tank is 20 gallons.
 
If you feel up to it tonight do a 25% water change then test in an hour and then do another 25% waterchange but make sure that you bring your clean water up to the same temperture as your tank you can boil some water in your kettle and add it to your bucket of clean water and test it with the thermometer.WHAT SIZE IS YOUR TANK AND HOW MANY LITRES DOES YOUR BUCKET HOLD
 
so 25, then test in hour, then another 25 tonight?

my tank is 20 gallon

bucket is 3. I was about to say how the hell am I sposed to know that, but the bucket says on it!!
 
Thats a pretty smal bucket LOL you could be in for a long night if you get a chance tomorrow go to an INSTORE or POUNDSTRETCHERS and look for a larger bucket they have buckets that are marked with litres up the side of them i also have a twenty gallon tank and i have a 14 litre bucket which is marked by litres up one side of it after my sand and plants, filter and ornaments my tank holds 70l so 5 buckets fills my tank exactly i got it in INSTORE
 
right I have done my first 25 % water change.

So now I wait an hour and test.

then what?

oh.. and ill get a bigger bucket tomorrow :)
 
The API kit comes with high range PH test, try that to see if you get a higher PH reading.



Also its not overly important to temp match the water you change, on my tank I take out 20%, replace 10% with dechlor tap water, wait 10 mins for the temp to come back up slightly, then add the other 10%

All in, I usually get 1degree variation on the tank.

my tank is 26g US
 
hallo again.

I am going to bed now, but i just retested after first 25% water change.

(i will do a high ph test b4 i goto bed but ill post result tomorrow)

ammonia was lower but i dont know how much... it was a shade of yellowy green between 0 and 0.25.
nitrite was still 1 and nitrate still 20.

I will do another water change in the morning before i goto college if I have time.

night all
 
night night and good luck :good:

hopefully you can do another w/change in the morning to get your Nitrites down :)
 
Hello!
My pH last night was 8.

I cant do another change this am because my boyfriend has to leave early and i dont actually live here! ( technicalliy)

So I will do one this afternoon.

Shall I do a 50% one? and should i test again before i do it?


My partners dad reckons I will kill my fish by doing daily water changes? is this right? if so, how?
 
your partners dad is wrong, bit of a backstory here so bear with me.....

you'll often see a divide in fishkeeping methods from the older and younger generation, people who kept fish 30 years ago did it very differently to how we do now, the understanding of water chemistry and of a fishes natural environment and that in a tank that we have now was not around until relativley recently (think last 10 years or so). Before that things were a bit hit and miss and fishkeeping practices evolved from what they thought worked. Things like adding salt to tanks, back in the day no one knew how or why it worked, but salt seemed to help fish live longer so they figured it had some medicinal properties and it was often used to treat fish. Now we know that salt reduces the toxicity of nitrate in the water, because they did fewer water changes than we do now nitrates were often very high and as such people had problems with it, salt made it better. In actual fact now we know that the best way to control nitrates is with water changes so we don't use salt anymore. But if you speak to someone who learnt about fishkeepign 30 years ago and hasn't kept in touch with recent developments they would still tell you to use it. They just don't know any better and things have moved on.

The same applies for water changes, previously people thought it was better for fish to be in 'old balanced water' so they did water changes as little as possible, we no know this isn't correct and you can do as many changes as you need to. If the pH is the same in the tap and the tank then there won't be any pH shock, reducing ammonia, nitrite and nitrate will only ever be good for fish, they don't need time to adapt to the new levels.

You can do several water changes a day if need be, you can even do 100% water changes although this is a pain and I wouldn't advise it. What you should be aiming for is keeping ammonia and nitrite under 0.25ppm, so do whatever water changes you need to get them there, i'd recommend starting with a 50% water change, then leave it an hr, re-test the water, if you need to do another change to get levels down then do so.

Another link which may help you out is the one in my sig 'whats cycling'. It's just another explanation, sometimes reading through a few explanations of it will help you understand what's going on a little better.

Now your tap water has 0.25ppm of ammonia, so while cycling water changes aren't going to bring ammonia any lower than that, so what you're really concentrating on is bringing nitrite down at the moment. Once the tank has cycled the 0.25ppm of ammonia in the tap water will be fine, when you do a water change you'll add a little bit of ammonia to the tank, but this will then be used up by the filter and within an hour or so you'll see 0ppm of ammonia. It's no great cause for concern, plenty of people have this level in their tap water, but just something to be aware of. If you find continuing problems with ammonia after the tank is cycled then instead of doing one water change of 30% a week (which is standard) do two changes a week of 15%, you'll be adding less ammonia at any time and the filter will then process it quicker.
 
:) they were the reasons he gave me to not change the water daily lol!! old fart hehe! :)

I will do another 50% change this afternoon, I have my college induction today.

I have read the whats cycling, fishless cycling and cycling with fish! I am slowly getting to grips with it all!!! :)

Just to make sure I do understand, 0.25 will be okish seeing as thats what is in my tap.

And do water changes to get the nitrite down to that same level, hoepfully below.

Does it matter that my tap waters nitrite is also 1.0? same as my tank? I mean, will water changes bring it down if my source water is the same?

The pH seems to stay the same at present, but I will keep checking it :)

Thanks
 
glad you're getting there with the research, but rest assured, you're not the only non-sciency person on here, you'll get it figured out in no time.

in general terms 0.25ppm of ammonia is not fine :no:

this is where it gets a little confusing, just fire away with any questions

As you have 0.25ppm of ammonia and 1ppm of nitrite in your tap water, for now this is the best you can hope for. It’s not brilliant, potentially it could be damaging your fish, but it’s no worse than it would be for a normal fish-in cycle so the tap water does not give me any more cause for concern than the situation you are in anyway. It’s unfortunate; most people in your situation will be able to bring ammonia and nitrite slightly lower than you can, but it’s not the end of the world.

Once your colony of ammonia consuming bacteria starts to grow they will deal with the ammonia produced by the fish, and the ammonia already in the water, likewise for the nitrite consuming bacteria. So once the colonies start to build up the problem will go away by itself, you’ll just have to grow a slightly larger bacteria colony than usual because it has to deal with the fishes waste and the extra 0.25ppm. You don’t need to do anything to do this, the bacteria will grow by themselves, just follow the usual processes for the fish in cycle.

Normally when cycling with fish we say people should try to keep ammonia and nitrite below 0.25ppm, for you this won’t be possible at the moment, so your target is to keep them at 0.25ppm of ammonia and 1ppm of nitrite for the time being. So test your water, if it ever rises up above these levels then do water changes to bring them down, if the levels in the tank are the same as or better than the tap water, then there’s no point changing the water, you won’t achieve anything (although if they stay at this level for some time you’ll want to do a weekly water change as per standard routine maintenance). Once you are nearing the end of your cycle you’ll start to see ammonia and nitrite drop below the level of your tap water, eventually they will get down to 0ppm for both of them. So now you’ll be thinking, well if the water in the tank is 0ppm and the water in the tap is 0.25ppm, why add the tap water cos it’s worse? Well, at this point the filter bacteria will easily be able to cope with the 0.25ppm of ammonia, so when you do a water change you’ll find that if you tested immediately afterwards there would be ammonia present, if you then tested an hour or so later it’d all be gone. So it’s a very short burst of ammonia, but you get all the benefits of regular water changes into the bargain, it’s worth taking the pain of the ammonia for the benefits of the water change. Although as I said before, you may find that a more suitable routine for you is to do 2 smaller water changes each week rather than 1 large one.
 
As MW said having ammonia and nitrite in the tap water is not ideal but once your tank is up and running properly it should be ok.Also depending on how far you live from your boyfriend you should test your own water for ammonia and nitrite it maybe better and you could purchase a couple of 25 litre water containers from MILLETS camping store and transport your water to your boyfriends house and do water changes it will be a pain to do but it may save your fish but thats all depending on your water stats.Also depending on where you live someone in the pinned section of members willing to donate filter media to newbies may live near you and could help you out alot so have a look
 
As MW said having ammonia and nitrite in the tap water is not ideal but once your tank is up and running properly it should be ok.Also depending on how far you live from your boyfriend you should test your own water for ammonia and nitrite it maybe better and you could purchase a couple of 25 litre water containers from MILLETS camping store and transport your water to your boyfriends house and do water changes it will be a pain to do but it may save your fish but thats all depending on your water stats.Also depending on where you live someone in the pinned section of members willing to donate filter media to newbies may live near you and could help you out alot so have a look


good call, while cycling if you can get water from another source even once a week to do a water change it would be better. :good:

can buy water drums from most marine fish shops as well as camping stores..... guess it mostly depends if you have a car or not how much of a pain it would be!
 
this was something i considered doing as my water has 20-40mg/l nitrate in my tap water and my in laws water is 0mg/l in theirs they live about 7 mile away my
tap water is
ph 7.8
nitrates 20-40mg/l
gh 12
kh 10
my tank is around 7.6 with the bogwood i have in it
 

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