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Hi everyone,

i want to change my filter system well sort of.

i was thinking of getting an undergravel filter plate sort of thing.

are these better, the same or no good at all.

mine currently sit above the gravel by about 1-1 1/2 inch

aqua one 850 165L

thanks for reading
 
Hi everyone,

i want to change my filter system well sort of.

i was thinking of getting an undergravel filter plate sort of thing.

are these better, the same or no good at all.

mine currently sit above the gravel by about 1-1 1/2 inch

aqua one 850 165L

thanks for reading
 
Hi. I like to get to grips with my filters. I was advised once not to bother with under gravel, and I do like to give a good vac out anyway. I started with a Juwel tank a long time ago and was quite happy with that. Now, however I have Fluval U3 in both my tanks. I am happy with those too. I dont replace bits so often as they say on the packet, I just give the bits a squish and squeeze every month in old water. My Nitrites are perfect.
 
Hi everyone,

i want to change my filter system well sort of.

i was thinking of getting an undergravel filter plate sort of thing.

are these better, the same or no good at all.

mine currently sit above the gravel by about 1-1 1/2 inch

aqua one 850 165L

thanks for reading

I thought undergravel filters where meant to be under the gravel as in the name. Does your aqua one not have the system for the pump to take the waste up through the filter media and then clean water comes out the other end
 
yeah it pulls up in the left hand side into the filter mediaand the clean out right hand side.

i have not yeat got undergravel filter but was thinking of changing but want to know the pro's and con's

my tank stats if some one could help with that in a mo when the reading are good to go.

many thanks

salts
 
yeah it pulls up in the left hand side into the filter mediaand the clean out right hand side.

i have not yeat got undergravel filter but was thinking of changing but want to know the pro's and con's

my tank stats if some one could help with that in a mo when the reading are good to go.

many thanks

salts

Hi salts 155. I have an aqua one ar980 which has the pump system but i dont know if its coping so i have added a fluval 2plus to supplement it. I have been hit with a nitrate blast,thought id got through the cycle,lost a few fish, ive added tetra nitrateminus and also added fluval clearmix into the filtration system plus ive done umpteen water changes but as yet its not dropping
 
date 30/12/09

ph 7.2
ammonia 0.25ppm
nitrite 0.00ppm
nitrate 5.0ppm

date 03/01/10 20% water change
ph 7.4
ammonia 0.25ppm
nitrite 0.00ppm
nitrate 5.0ppm

10/01/10 ammonia spike (possible)
ph 7.4
ammonia 0.50ppm
nitrite 0.00ppm
nitrate 0.00ppm

11/01/10 90% water change day befor
ph 7.2
ammonia 0.25ppm
nitrite 0.00ppm
nitrate 0.00ppm

16/01/10
ph 7.8
ammonia 0.25ppm
nitrite 0.00ppm
natrate 0.00ppm

tap water reading

ph 7.2
ammonia 0.25ppm
nitrite 0.00ppm
nitrate 0.00ppm

temp of tank 27oC

do these reading look a bit funny to anyone

so you run two filters
in your tank then.
not had problems yet.

just had my first lot of fry so i guess everything is working fine
 
Pros:

Cheap to run
Cheap in price

Cons:

Not as effective as modern filters
Very hard to clean
Not plant friendly
No media options


Those are just off the top of my head, and I'm sure I'm missing some. They are very limiting as to what you can do with them.
 
UGF's require a yearly tank tear down to clean the accumulated waste from under the plates. After a year it looks like a mud puddle under there. If you have plants it makes it even more of a chore.
 
Yes, one of the big problems we have in trying to explain undergravel filters (both UGFs and RUGFs) is that in the hands of a pro, there's nothing really wrong with their ability to operate and they are quite cheap. However, in the hands of the typical beginner they are a disaster in my opinion. Its just much easier to learn on and operate a good modern internal, HOB or external cannister filter for a beginner. (Not to mention that by the time you're a pro you might not want to operate a UGF anyway except by the circumstance of having already had the filter and having a lot of tanks and therefor needing it in a pinch or something...)

As Robby said, its design is mostly optimized for biological filtration, providing a large volume of gravel for bacterial surface use (but not necessarily the best type of surface although not bad.) There's no provision for temporary additions of chemical filtration, such as carbon, unless there are attachments on the pumping pipes. As a mechanical filter, the UGF is just kind of a mess in that maintenance is so difficult. The stuff all collects under the plates and in the gravel and gets all over the tank during cleaning attempts. In a normal gravel tank of course you see debris during gravel cleaning but with a UGF its more like if you took a cannister filter and dumped all the collected debris straight back into your tank. The trick is to link the siphon hose up tightly with the plate and hope to suck all the debris straight out but it usually doesn't work that nicely.

Then there's the problem that if you give in and get rooted plants (even though your're not supposed to with a UGF) then the roots will clog the underplate area so that the debris resists being sucked out during cleaning. Another problem is that the gravel needs to be pretty level and flat and of the right depth (since its serving as a filter medium) and that often works against your aquascaping plans. I don't mean to "pile on" and I know the plates can technically work well but I just can't help but be another of those who feel this is just "old technology" and most any beginner can do better than this.

~~waterdrop~~
 
ok i think ill stick with my over tank filter seems to work fine so why mess about with it :).

water drop did you get me email regarding some readings aslo posted on here.

cant stress enough to all my mate how much everyone helps on here.

cheers everyone
 
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is this good enough to enter this totm next time

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